Genshin Impact — Nuking 2-C Istaroth

[PedjaTarzan]

as i said, you seem to be separating the natlan/khaenriah timeline from the teyvat timeline

because citlali LITERALLY told you that the "timeline" in question is another dimension which i backed up by saying that it seems to be another pocket space holy tracking bro

 

[Furina003]

because citlali LITERALLY told you that the "timeline" in question is another dimension which i backed up by saying that it seems to be another pocket space holy tracking bro

another dimension timeline that is an additional alternative time line, l2c added to another l2c. let the staff cast their votes okay? i won't discuss anything further, because i already mentioned this in my first comment

 

[MSahla]

Yeah but this is insignificant 4-D, you'd need significant 4-D for Low 2-C to even be considered which means Ei has to alter the entirety of the Genshin Universe as Ei altering Teyvat only and specifically Inazuma would make it insignificant, that's all I'm saying ngl

Well first of all, Teyvat is not that very independent from the rest of the universe. It's only independent from the rest of the universe in a sense like.. Physically. Not that Teyvat has its own Universe inside of the False Sky so it has its own timeline. Unless the story itself proves so, we cannot just assume Teyvat's timeline are not part of the Universe's timeline.

And Teyvat's laws is literally coming from the laws of the Universe itself, so why would we assume Teyvat's laws are fully independent from the rest of the universe?

 

[Voidnether]

Also yeah if it's not obvious, I'm only nuking 2-C here and not Low 2-C since I agreed with the entire Genshin Universe as a whole being significant 4-D (Low 2-C) if you affect the entirety of it with the size atleast observable universe sized and possibly infinite

 

[Furina003]

I agree unless opposition brings up evidence stating otherwise.

Actually, I’m not really that interested in being involved in this CRT, since I don’t think it’s that important.

Maybe I’ll provide a few scans.
In Genshin, even memories can form a universe.

and the context of memory here does not literally refer to human memory, but to a point in time in the past, because it is clearly stated that the direidyth comes from a different Dimension of reality.



So, Direidyth and the Traveler are in different points in space-time, where Direidyth is a citizen of Khaenri’ah who lived 500 years ago, while the Traveler exists in the present timeline. These two points in time intersect with one another.

The “memory” you’re talking about is merely a term used to represent a past that has already happened, because the events from 500 years ago are being shown again when the Traveler meets Direidyth.

which proves the existence of present and past timelines that occur simultaneously, which are separated in different time spaces and different dimensions of reality, this is in accordance with mavuika statement.

This is also proven by the existence of the three keys to the Traveler spacecraft.

Why is the number of spacecraft keys important? Yeah, let me explain a little.
As explained before, there should originally only be two spacecraft keys. However, the present-day Traveler gave their key to Direidyth from 500 years ago. Because of that, the Direidyth from the past ended up holding the hibernation key, resulting in the existence of three hibernation keys.

1. The Traveler key that was given to Direi.
2. The Traveler sibling key.
3. The Traveler own spacecraft key that they still carried.

This proves that the three timelines manifest within different dimensions of reality (as stated by Citlali), with each of these realities existing in separate space-times. When those space-times intersect, it allows Direidyth from the past to meet the present-day Traveler.

This is also the reason why three hibernation chamber keys can exist simultaneously, proving that each temporal framework (the past, the present, and the future) is real and manifests within its own separate reality.

Istaroth (shades of time) created all this, therefore the traveler said there was Istaroth's interference and felt that Istaroth was laughing at him because he had arranged it since 500 years ago.

you just need to understand it

there is no such explanation, bro hilichurl what you saw at the beginning was direidythd in the present, and the human form was direidyth from the past, so at that time there were 2 direidiths simultaneously. so what you said is very contradictory to this

Istaroth's realm of power is a space-time that is 14 billion years old and 98 billion years wide. That's why Istaroth is called the mother of 14 billion years, to demonstrate Istaroth's superiority.

What you explained here is completely irrelevant, because it does not debunk the existence of two manifested timelines at all. That is precisely why there are two versions of Direi and three keys.

yeah eternalysn is basically l2c, but in the current case it has a different condition, where more than 1 timeline is realized

It’s not even time travel again. They did not physically move through space-time when meeting Direi, it was literally an intersection of space-times And again, this still does not debunk the existence of more than one timeline.

This is just repeating the previous argument, which I already responded to.

I would like you to consider this rebuttal, thank you

 

[Voidnether]

Well first of all, Teyvat is not that very independent from the rest of the universe. It's only independent from the rest of the universe in a sense like.. Physically. Not that Teyvat has its own Universe inside of the False Sky so it has its own timeline. Unless the story itself proves so, we cannot just assume Teyvat's timeline are not part of the Universe's timeline.

And Teyvat's laws is literally coming from the laws of the Universe itself, so why would we assume Teyvat's laws are fully independent from the rest of the universe?

No like, in a way that Ei has to affect the entire universe to be considered Low 2-C for her altering the timelines and stuff. Obviously Teyvat is not independent from the universe, it's only because theres False Sky. Teyvat doesn't have its own timeline definitely

 

[PedjaTarzan]

another dimension timeline that is an additional alternative time line, l2c added to another l2c. let the staff cast their votes okay? i won't discuss anything further, because i already mentioned this in my first comment

Where is the low 2-C if both realms are insignificant sized

 

[MSahla]

No like, in a way that Ei has to affect the entire universe to be considered Low 2-C for her altering the timelines and stuff. Obviously Teyvat is not independent from the universe, it's only because theres False Sky. Teyvat doesn't have its own timeline definitely

Well if she's affecting the timeline itself and change it, then she would be just changing the universe's timeline. Well, I'm not attempting to get Raiden Ei to Low 2-C so don't get me wrong. But that's just what it is.

Since Timeline itself are assumed to be Infinite unless it's proven otherwise, and we know that it is part of the Universe's timeline. It doesn't have to specifically stated oh she change the timeline of the universe.

It should be noted that timelines are assumed to be infinite in length, unless evidence to the contrary is provided. Hence, unless otherwise indicated, the destruction of timelines that branch off from one another and never merge would still be ranked between 2-C and 2-A (depending on the number).

Because timelines are assumed to share the same time axis/dimension of time:

In the absence of contradictory evidence, timelines are assumed to share the same time axis i.e. the same dimension of time.

And you got a bunch of statements in Genshin saying Time is infinite:

Eternity extends time into infinity. -Raiden Makoto

But in her eyes, time is a barren wasteland with neither beginning nor end, blanketed in spider-silk threads that stretch to unknowable distances. –Spring of Hidden Jade Vol. 2

All life is shaped and then ground away by the endless flow of time. You were always the strongest among us, yet it would seem that even you have been eroded... –Azhdaha

 

[Furina003]

Where is the low 2-C if both realms are insignificant sized

If you consider a spacetime of 14 billion years and an area of 98 billion light years is not l2c, then you are right.

 

[Natsuki012]

Agree with the op

 

[Voidnether]

Well if she's affecting the timeline itself and change it, then she would be just changing the universe's timeline. Well, I'm not attempting to get Raiden Ei to Low 2-C so don't get me wrong. But that's just what it is.

Since Timeline itself are assumed to be Infinite unless it's proven otherwise, and we know that it is part of the Universe's timeline. It doesn't have to specifically stated oh she change the timeline of the universe.


Because timelines are assumed to share the same time axis/dimension of time:


And you got a bunch of statements in Genshin saying Time is infinite:

Would Makoto's Realm of Consciousness having its own temporal dimension and that it has infinite snapshots of time qualify for like significant 4-D (Low 2-C) without like it being universe sized? I mean like if you wanna argue this affecting the universe too, I just think that it needs evidence that Ei is altering the universe's timeline explicitly since the only thing we have rn is that Ei is only altering a localized part of the timeline (Inazuma) instead of the entire timeline. I could agree with Low 2-C if Ei affects the entirety, but if there's no evidence relating that, I'm unsure ngl

Whilst I know that only Istaroth would get this, but Istaroth's law (time) manipulation being universal ≠ Istaroth is capable of altering the universe's timeline, theres a difference I believe

 

[Furina003]

Would Makoto's Realm of Consciousness having its own temporal dimension and that it has infinite snapshots of time qualify for like significant 4-D (Low 2-C) without like it being universe sized? I mean like if you wanna argue this affecting the universe too, I just think that it needs evidence that Ei is altering the universe's timeline explicitly. I could agree with that, but if there's no evidence relating that, I'm unsure ngl

why are you guys even discussing makoto realm, bro? i think it's not relevant to the crt

 

[MSahla]

Would Makoto's Realm of Consciousness having its own temporal dimension and that it has infinite snapshots of time qualify for like significant 4-D (Low 2-C) without like it being universe sized?

It should be noted that what happened in the Makoto's Realm of Consciousness is also affecting the real world.

I mean like if you wanna argue this affecting the universe too, I just think that it needs evidence that Ei is altering the universe's timeline explicitly

It's not that mandatory. You would just need to prove this timeline is infinite, it is also part of the universe's timeline, then there you have it. Low 2-C.

since the only thing we have rn is that Ei is only altering a localized part of the timeline (Inazuma) instead of the entire timeline.

If Inazuma’s timeline is part of the universe’s timeline, then altering Inazuma’s temporal flow is still altering the universe’s timeline, just not all of it simultaneously. By that logic, affecting one region of space in a universe would not count as affecting the universe at all, which is absurd because every localized spacetime distortion is still a change within the universe’s spacetime structure.

Ei’s actions concern temporal isolation and manipulation within Inazuma’s spacetime framework. Since Inazuma exists within the universe’s overall temporal system, the manipulation inherently occurs on the universal timeline, even if localized to one region. The scope may be localized, but the medium being altered is still the universe’s spacetime continuum itself.

Whilst I know that only Istaroth would get this, but Istaroth's law (time) manipulation being universal ≠ Istaroth is capable of altering the universe's timeline, theres a difference I believe

But she does, though? Guess by whose power Raiden Ei can change the timeline itself?

 

[MSahla]

Anyway, let's just end it this Raiden Ei's case, i think it's just a derailment atp.

 

[Puppet43]

Agree with OP

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

agree with op.

 

[TWILIGHT-OP]

What's the opposition points here.

 

[Furina003]

What's the opposition points here.

Here

Genshin Impact — Nuking 2-C Istaroth

Should be a quick fix actually. Up to Low Multiverse level via Environmental Destruction (Created multiple Spacetimes/Timelines and separated The Traveler in different spacetimes) Wonder why there's no scans? It's because Istaroth never created multiple space-times, nor separated The Traveler...

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[Voidnether]

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[Voidnether]

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