Genshin Impact cooking in Speed and Attack Potency

[Smashtwig]

I mean the vs wiki ask for real lightning manip, which is why i used Raiden Ei, the electro embodiment in the verse as an example of Electro User Character/Entitites of them using real lightning
Could you provide any evidence on why Dainsleif would stated Keqing is Lightning Speed in a flowery Language?

Dainself? Is that not a narrator? (Pls post source)

 

[Smashtwig]

I mean not all characters had evade ligthtning cannonicly, so at best you can scale up to mid tiers

I'm just going to assume that means you're fine with Amber/Bennett being a "likely"

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I mean the vs wiki ask for real lightning manip, which is why i used Raiden Ei, the electro embodiment in the verse as an example of Electro User Character/Entitites of them using real lightning
Could you provide any evidence on why Dainsleif would stated Keqing is Lightning Speed in a flowery Language?

"Moves at lightning speed" is one of the most common instances of flowery language in all of literature, so much so that as a wiki we tend to expect evidence that it isn't flowery language; that it is flowery language is the default assumption.

 

[Puppet43]

"Moves at lightning speed" is one of the most common instances of flowery language in all of literature, so much so that as a wiki we tend to expect evidence that it isn't flowery language; that it is flowery language is the default assumption.

So who you expect me to have that requierement when the instant they bring a lightning speed confirmation you just assume its Flowery Language?

 

[Woomica]

"Moves at lightning speed" is one of the most common instances of flowery language in all of literature, so much so that as a wiki we tend to expect evidence that it isn't flowery language; that it is flowery language is the default assumption.

I can understand why he used this statement, he saw a electro char use electro powers to move at extremly high speeds in which he assumed that the statement makes sense,
Anyway j posted some ctg scans so is that suffice for mhs scaling?

 

[EastofEden07]

Ive posted a cn to en translation in the same blog of calc and its pretty much the same as in EN so im sure we are fine

Welp...and I pretty sure it's a flowey word

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So who you expect me to have that requierement when the instant they bring a lightning speed confirmation you just assume its Flowery Language?

Well. Like I said, I would consider something like dodging cloud-to-ground lightning valid, given that you have provided statements of legitimate weather manipulation. That'd do it.

I can understand why he used this statement, he saw a electro char use electro powers to move at extremly high speeds in which he assumed that the statement makes sense,
Anyway j posted some ctg scans so is that suffice for mhs scaling?

Where?

 

[EastofEden07]

击败旋涡之魔神后，回收得到的某种碎片。
在遥远的过去，曾被用来镇压旋涡之魔神
这片土地上的住民曾经面对过高如山岳的怒涛，也曾在床榻上、睡梦中被摇撼地心的海啸惊醒；这些恐惧已经随着和平与岁月消逝了。
但这也无妨。即使长眠海中的古老魔神再度醒转也无法阻止新的时代来临。
或许当初封印它的那位，系带的也不过是在数千年后的如今，能看见这也的景象吧。

This is the real original text,about the "摇撼地心的海啸" I'm pretty sure this is just used to describe the far-reaching impact of the tsunami, not to say that Osial created something like an earthquake(btw I'm very curious about how a tsunami can directly affect the core of the earth)

 

[Woomica]

Wait a bit to apply anything, I'd like to hear from the OP on any other justification for MHS. A Cloud-to-Ground spell would be ideal.

there are plenty
here is the one with Raiden Shogun
Lisa
Sara:
Yae miko

Here

 

[Mr. Bambu]

there are plenty
here is the one with Raiden Shogun
Lisa
Sara:
Yae miko

It does extend off the top of the screen but that really doesn't look like cloud-to-ground. You can even see the sky is basically clear.

 

[Woomica]

It does extend off the top of the screen but that really doesn't look like cloud-to-ground. You can even see the sky is basically clear.

in this case sky gets covered in stormy cloud when performing the feat

 

[Puppet43]

I would consider something like dodging cloud-to-ground lightning valid

That thing was already implemented in some characters like Tighnari and Dehya, but for some reason they were consider Subsonic and some statment of Traveler being able to avoid being fried by thunderstorms, which implies that he dodge them (About the Scions of the Canopy...)

 

[Mr. Bambu]

in this case sky gets covered in stormy cloud when performing the feat

I'm not really clear on what's happening there, is this an attack people can dodge?

That thing was already implemented in some characters like Tighnari and Dehya, but for some reason they were consider Subsonic and some statment of Traveler being able to avoid being fried by thunderstorms, which implies that he dodge them (About the Scions of the Canopy...)

I don't understand this, either. If it was already implemented, then why were they Subsonic? Also, to be fair, dodging a normal thunderstorm probably wouldn't net MHS, since you'd only need to move a meter or so compared to thousands of meters moved by the storm. The crux of this issue is arguing that Electro attacks are 1:1 with real world lightning enough that we can consider them to be the same speed, rather than the speed of other sources of electricity (which we can rate as low as Subsonic, in fact).

 

[Woomica]

I'm not really clear on what's happening there, is this an attack people can dodge?


I don't understand this, either. If it was already implemented, then why were they Subsonic? Also, to be fair, dodging a normal thunderstorm probably wouldn't net MHS, since you'd only need to move a meter or so compared to thousands of meters moved by the storm. The crux of this issue is arguing that Electro attacks are 1:1 with real world lightning enough that we can consider them to be the same speed, rather than the speed of other sources of electricity (which we can rate as low as Subsonic, in fact).

Id then revert speed to the scale they were before this revision

 

[Giannysmag]

I don't understand this, either. If it was already implemented, then why were they Subsonic? Also, to be fair, dodging a normal thunderstorm probably wouldn't net MHS, since you'd only need to move a meter or so compared to thousands of meters moved by the storm.

That was actually the reason they where Subsonic

Lightning Feats

Many fictional characters make use of attacks or equipment that produces lightning or electricity. As such it useful to know how to quantify lightning feats. Most electricity in fiction is not real lightning. Often it is supernatural in nature, and is possibly not even electricity. Therefore...

vsbattles.fandom.com

The lightning dodging calc we have listed on this page is Subsonic

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Id then revert speed to the scale they were before this revision

So is it not dodgeable, then?

There's still the Hypersonic speed in the OP, which is an accepted calc.

 

[Woomica]

So is it not dodgeable, then?

In game its not, but since we count genshin abilites usable in lore i suppose yeah

There's still the Hypersonic speed in the OP, which is an accepted calc.

Oh..right i see

 

[Mr. Bambu]

In game its not, but since we count genshin abilites usable in lore i suppose yeah

Oh..right i see

So a character dodged that in-lore? Could you link that?

 

[Woomica]

So a character dodged that in-lore? Could you link that?

Oh my bad i tought you meant if that ability can be dodged or not, not that someone actually dodged it...well lisa has no combat cutscene in game so no there isnt anyone who dodged her attack

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Alright. If there's any other instance of a CtG attack proper, I'm open to MHS. Otherwise, I would prefer just scaling the cast to Hypersonic, with the higher echelon individuals outlined in the OP being "At least Hypersonic".

 

[Smashtwig]

I managed to scrape up a simplified rework of Amber/Bennett speed that includes some scans that show that it isn't just Amber's arrows/reactions that can keep up, but also just her actual movement speed. I'm still good with the Hypersonic, likely (Insert Speed Rating), (Insert Speed Rating) Combat speed and reactions- but I do wanna know if these new scans are enough to push it to just a flat rating (e.g. just Insert Speed Rating).

Speed: Massively Hypersonic+ (or whatever speed we are using) (Able to keep up with the fight against the Fellflower alongside Eula and the Inazuman Traveler- nearly landing a hit on its Albedo form. She was able to outspeed Barnabas who was able to react to her arrows. Barnabas should be comparable to a corrupted Collei who managed to keep up with Kaeya Alberich)

 

[Voidnether]

I don't really see the Hypersonic scaling here.. It's a travel speed feat, there's no explanation there that it scales to her combat speed tbh