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fixing genshin tiering so people can stop asking why tf is alhaitham 4-A

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Change of stance, I agree with this entirely. Also, remove Xiao's scaling with 4-A with Primordial Jade Spear. That justification is wack; simply because you're using the material doesn't mean it grants you the potency of another weapon that's made with the same material.
 
Woomica is never the type to mind derailment at all considering all he does is derail topics like a 🤓

Then again whats the use of discussing the topic if I'm going to be absent, tudelu~
 
Woomica is never the type to mind derailment at all considering all he does is derail topics like a 🤓

Then again whats the use of discussing the topic if I'm going to be absent, tudelu~
then ill just leave this to some other crt since i dont care abt arguing rn
edit: ill also call staff to evalute this thread and remove 4-A once and for all buahhaha
 
Change of stance, I agree with this entirely. Also, remove Xiao's scaling with 4-A with Primordial Jade Spear. That justification is wack; simply because you're using the material doesn't mean it grants you the potency of another weapon that's made with the same material.
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Count me as this stance.
 
Why tf are you changing the archon's tier to 6-B?
 
Also i realised that i also included 4-A to stay to Sovereigns and Skirk despite also saying same tier is outlier...damn what was i thinking back then
(Gotta Ctrl+S that ig)
 
you litteraly agreed with everything which includes imaginarum theather being taken as outlier and thus removed
You never said the Imaginarium Theatre was an outlier. We never discussed the legitimacy of the feat; your OP literally said that archons and the top 3 fatui can keep their ratings with the justification changed, which there is a new feat established from previous CRTs.

If your intention is to remove the 4-A rating then I'm changing my stance to completely disagreeing with this CRT.
 
So...these crts happened
And the former absolutely annihilated how chainscaling looks and its honestly so bad so i will start with that
First i will dip my arguments as to why 4-A should be removed entirely, then i will argue which characters should have justification changed and their tier 4 removed too
first is to start about why do 4-A exists, well it comes from this feat

  1. Barbatos at his prime was challenged to a battle by the Hexenzirkel,[6]an organisation of powerful mages or witches founded by Alice,[7]who was a protector of Old Mondstadt,[6] a civilisation ruled by Decarabian. Decarabian was defeated by Barbatos himself.[8]A single witch of Hexenzirkel was capable of creating the Imaginarium Theater,[9] with casting spells using their quill,[10]which contains a starry sky[11][Note 1][Statistics Values 1])
So whats wrong here? first if you look at the scan of him being challenged, he legit rejected the challenge...the first disqualifier of this scaling.
Another issue is this Alice,[7] who was a protector of Old Mondstadt,[6] a civilisation ruled by Decarabian. There is no proof that Alice was as strong as she is now, nor that the Imaginarum Theater was created at that time, in fact it wasnt even specified when was Hexenzirkel found:
Another issue is that the feat itself isnt consistent, it has only appeared once with little to no details about it, and witches themself have 0 combat feats shown.
Yet another issue here is this:
Decarabian was defeated by Barbatos himself.[8], this is not true, or at least not as accurate as it sounds, in the story quest of Venti it was revealed that entire old mondstadt rebelled against decarabian, nothing said that Venti himself fought and defeated him.
Final issue is the fact that every other Feat shown by Archons is at best tier 6, Such as:
Shogun cutting island in half
Venti casually throwing giant mountain
Azdaha shaking earth
Neuvilette covering entire fontaine in clouds
Mavuka using combined power of death, 6 natlan heroes, and gnosis just to break false sky barrier and possibly destroy the moon.
None of these feats are reaching into tier 5, theres no reason for archons to scale into tier 4 just because witches are capable of challenging one archon which even refused the challenge, nor that they have any consistent feat itself, this can at best be an Outlier since nothing else provides support for archons scaling to 4-A, let alone any other character who is listed 4-A except...
@GarrixianXD bolded part bro
 
Well, you're not removing 4-A nonetheless, since the feat that established the Narwhal's feat of extinguishing stars was approved. I just haven't bothered to apply it.

What I meant by "I agree with this entirely" is that I agree with your conclusions, which you said here:
The rest of the characters scaling to 4-A who have been scaling to the likes of post Sumeru Traveler or is comparable to Archons such as top 3 fatui can keep their ratings with justifications changed too.

Don't play fool. Seeing consistency for tier 4 feats in the franchise, there's entirely no reason why the realm creation should be an outlier. Though I already got ad nausea from the tier 4 downgrade thread so I'm not interested in debating about it. Please put me in disagree now.
 
Well, you're not removing 4-A nonetheless, since the feat that established the Narwhal's feat of extinguishing stars was approved. I just haven't bothered to apply it.

What I meant by "I agree with this entirely" is that I agree with your conclusions, which you said here:
Me when i lie. you had all the time to put your ******* text with what you agree with, ive only put justifications that can remain 4-A or 6-B depending on how that goes you can read that pretty well i guess
Don't play fool. Seeing consistency for tier 4 feats in the franchise, there's entirely no reason why the realm creation should be an outlier. Though I already got ad nausea from the tier 4 downgrade thread so I'm not interested in debating about it. Please put me in disagree now
Consistency and then no one ******* scales to witches cuz challenged bum rejects to fight them.
 
Me when i lie. you had all the time to put your ******* text with what you agree with, ive only put justifications that can remain 4-A or 6-B depending on how that goes you can read that pretty well i guess
If it were anyone else, you would get reported to the RVRT. But considering you're my friend, I'm just going to warn you about it. Don't distort context and make your CRTs look misleading with unintended conclusions, thank you.
 
Yk what, close this and ill leave this bullshit verse to anyone who has nerves to deal with this im off now.
 
Seeing consistency for tier 4 feats in the franchise
"Consistency" and the it's:
  • A feat from a character no one scales to, that can barely even considered a feat because "UES"
  • A Low 6-B feat that you wanked to 4-A based on a loose interpretation of Chinese text
  • A feat that didn't happen (you still haven't given actual scans for the Narwhal consuming the sea of stars that actually say that)
  • A feat that didn't happen (Yae Miko was literally lying)
If it were anyone else, you would get reported to the RVRT. But considering you're my friend, I'm just going to warn you about it. Don't distort context and make your CRTs look misleading with unintended conclusions, thank you.
Mf the context is all there in the OP. Woomy started with an explanation of why no one should scale to 4-A and then he talked about the justifications that would need to be altered wether or not the 4-A got rejected.
 
Mf the context is all there in the OP. Woomy started with an explanation of why no one should scale to 4-A and then he talked about the justifications that would need to be altered wether or not the 4-A got rejected.
Tell me how this is not just blatant lying and giving false conclusions on the OP:
This used to be 6-C, but given that some of these feats were done in his past before becoming actual Geo Archon, i have no problem of it to stay at 4-A (6-B if it gets nuked) though id put "At Most" given that he is greatly weaker without his gnosis.

The rest of characters scaling to 4-A who have been scaling to the likes of post Sumeru Traveler or is comparable to Archons such as top 3 fatui can keep their ratings with justifications changed too.

Also, Woomica admitted to lying to the OP which is report-worthy. Though, I'm not interested in dealing with his behaviour. I'm going to close the thread by the OP's request and edit out whatever misleading conclusions there are on here.
 
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