General OPM Revision Thread

[ZillertheBucko]

Here’s an analogy for my point here
Heat being dura negation doesn’t actually mean it can’t also give a dura value for resisting it
This is like saying that because Raiden’s HF blade is dura neg, that means taking a full power hit from his sword is just vibration manip resistance and it can’t actually be considered a durability feat

from my knowledge, the reason heat is dura neg in the first place is because durability usually doesn’t apply down at an atomic or molecular level or whatever, while the AP of heat does affect people that way
meaning that tanking heat would mean you have both the durability and heat resistance to take it, if the heat is higher than either your dura or resistance then you die, and that’s it.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

But we already knew this when calc members accepted high 7-A homeless emperor in the first place, so it’s odd that this is a discussion to begin with, but whatever.

 

[ByAsura]

Rover's case?

Yes.

Rover's blasts almost exclusively don't vaporize shit thoroughly, with the exception of Super Mouse and maybe Showerhead.

Being heat based doesn't mean they can't explode and fragment shit.

Just use frag or v frag.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Also yeah rover definitely isn’t pure vaporization, at most there’s only partial vaporization since there are clear signs of fragments and rubble

 

[ZillertheBucko]

Yes.

Rover's blasts almost exclusively don't vaporize shit thoroughly, with the exception of Super Mouse and maybe Showerhead.

Rest in peak showerhead
My favorite extremely minor antagonist, it’s rough seeing him die like that

 

[Recon1511]

Also, I don't think it's fair to boil down (pun intended) Rover or Homeless Emperor's attacks to simply heat-based abilities. Sure, they are heat balls, but the things that are being calced is the damage as a result of them exploding, not them just moving through and melting the area effected.

And they can also be interacted physically, be it either by deflection with a sword (Spring Moustache and Iaian) or hands (Bang) or touching, grabbing and kicking them (Suiryu) which isn't a characteristic that actual fire has.

Not to mention that they still produce violent explosions that leave debris behind and don't just phase through melting everything on it's path as you said, these panels are the perfect example of this:

 

[Kachon123]

Yes.

Rover's blasts almost exclusively don't vaporize shit thoroughly, with the exception of Super Mouse and maybe Showerhead.

I completely agree with you.

 

[Recon1511]

Rest in peak showerhead
My favorite extremely minor antagonist, it’s rough seeing him die like that

tfw Showerhead could have killed Garou immediatly if he decided to use the acid as his first attack instead of the boiling water

 

[Kachon123]

Just use frag or v frag.

V frag definitely works better than normal frag.

 

[ByAsura]

Frag gets 9 kilotons.

V frag gets 77 kilotons.

It's semi worth a recalculation.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

tfw Showerhead could have killed Garou immediatly if he decided to use the acid as his first attack

Shoutouts to my other favorite acid spitting extremely minor antagonist

 

[Recon1511]

Frag gets 9 kilotons.

V frag gets 77 kilotons.

It's semi worth a recalculation.

We are talking about the Rover Earthquake feat right?

 

[ByAsura]

Rover creates EarthQuakes

vsbattles.fandom.com

Is this acceptable?

We are talking about the Rover Earthquake feat right?

The Garou blast.

 

[Recon1511]

Is this acceptable?

The Garou blast.

Hm, I thought you meant this one:

This feat is what this calc is calculating

Overgrown Rover's AP (Recalculation)

vsbattles.fandom.com

I don't think there are any issues with the High End here, but maybe another recalc could be used

 

[ByAsura]

They're calculating the volume that was destroyed.

Can't we add both together?

 

[Kachon123]

They're calculating the volume that was destroyed.

Can't we add both together?

Yeah

 

[Recon1511]

That's great, do that if you can.

 

[ByAsura]

On second thought, I don't think we should even use it.

Rover was spamming blasts like crazy.

This is why Injustice went from Small Country level to Large Island level.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

On second thought, I don't think we should even use it.

Rover was spamming blasts like crazy.

This is why Injustice went from Small Country level to Large Island level.

The feat itself appears to be a single shockwave though

 

[ByAsura]

Apparently, that doesn't really matter because shockwaves can combine.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

They can combine if the attacks are launched at once
attacks launched in rapid succession don’t really do that

 

[ByAsura]

They did exactly the same thing with Injustice, so yes they do.

Anyway, I'll wait for the CGM's input here.

 

[TimmyTurnero]

https://vsbattles.com/threads/homeless-emperor-high-7-a-blast.151594/

 

[Kachon123]

Accepted Low 7-B Brave Giant

One-Punch Man: Child Emperor's Brave Giant

vsbattles.fandom.com

(Thanks Timmy)

 

[ZillertheBucko]

So..
Does that scale to anything except brave giant and phoenix man?

 

[Kachon123]

So..
Does that scale to anything except brave giant and phoenix man?

Human Ninjas, Cadre, those who scale.

 

[Emerald]

Maybe Gale and Hellfire, considering they were able to slightly damage the armor and survive the energy of the brave giant being released

 

[Damage3245]

Human Ninjas, Cadre, those who scale.

In the redraw the human Ninjas don't do any significant damage to the Brave Giant. Only ripping out a wire or cable.

I wouldn't scale them to the value of the calc based on that.

 

[Kachon123]

In the redraw the human Ninjas don't do any significant damage to the Brave Giant. Only ripping out a wire or cable.

They tanked Gigavolt Smash though, so their durability would scale.

 

[Damage3245]

They tanked Gigavolt Smash though, so their durability would scale.

They tanked a fraction of the Gigavolt Smash which went out omnidirectionally to hit a lot of other targets besides them. Even if we assumed that the Gigavolt Smash was equal in AP to the Brave Giant's earlier attack, there is no reason for either of them to scale to the full value.

 

[Kachon123]

They tanked a fraction of the Gigavolt Smash which went out omnidirectionally to hit a lot of other targets besides them. Even if we assumed that the Gigavolt Smash was equal in AP to the Brave Giant's earlier attack, there is no reason for either of them to scale to the full value.

They were in the epicenter of the attack though?

 

[ZillertheBucko]

They tanked a fraction of the Gigavolt Smash which went out omnidirectionally to hit a lot of other targets besides them. Even if we assumed that the Gigavolt Smash was equal in AP to the Brave Giant's earlier attack, there is no reason for either of them to scale to the full value.

Seems like a petty detail honestly, usually with attacks like that the author intention is just that they were able to withstand it

 

[Kachon123]

ven if we assumed that the Gigavolt Smash was equal in AP to the Brave Giant's earlier attack, there is no reason for either of them to scale to the full value.

The earlier attack is confirmed to be weaker than Gigavolt Smash.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

And yeah, gigavolt smash is a last resort self destruct super-move, it’s obviously at least a little stronger than the calc feat given that it explodes brave giant

 

[Damage3245]

They were in the epicenter of the attack though?

That doesn't really matter here.

Seems like a petty detail honestly, usually with attacks like that the author intention is just that they were able to withstand it

Pettiness has nothing to do with it. It's a pretty relevant detail.

 

[Kachon123]

That doesn't really matter here.

Why not

 

[Damage3245]

Why not

Well, firstly they're not literally at the epicenter. They're close but we can see here that they're not actually in the center of the attack. Both of them were struck by it which means they're certainly not both enduring the full power of it, and there's dozens of other zombies around the Brave Giant also being struck by it.

 

[ZillertheBucko]

It’s brave giant’s strongest attack to begin with
let’s just say that they’re likely low 7-B and just be done with it, it’s very clear that they were meant to scale.

 

[Kachon123]

Well, firstly they're not literally at the epicenter. They're close but we can see here that they're not actually in the center of the attack

They were in the center and got blasted away. The second scan you sent was just them getting knocked back.

 

[Damage3245]

It’s brave giant’s strongest attack to begin with
let’s just say that they’re likely low 7-B and just be done with it, it’s very clear that they were meant to scale.

No. I'm against that.

They were in the center and got blasted away. The second scan you sent was just them getting knocked back.

It doesn't matter; you can be holding onto the side of a missile and you still won't scale to the full value of it. Just being close isn't enough.