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Please stay on topic.
Take it somewhere else if you want an unrelated upgrade for Boros, Golden Sperm, etc. Better calculations for the topics I'm addressing is fine, though.
I'm pretty sure there's a litany of better calculations for Genos and comparable characters, though. So feel free to post them.
For now, Genos, PPP and DSK would scale to 8-A+. This is consistent with less than half power PPP alone surpassing Hammerhead's 225 ton calc.
Edit: The Giant Crow calculation is invalid. They'd still be baseline 8-A+ through scaling to PPP.
Edit: Not happening. I've debunked this.
It's stated that humanity hadn't knowingly faced a threat on the level of the Cadres (Homeless Emperor, Black Sperm, Gums, Evil Natural Water and Fuhrer Ugly) who were causing the S-Class/Sweet Mask to feel true fear at this moment. This doesn't refer to the Monster Association as a whole, the amount of liquid ENW could potentially absorb, or the power that Fuhrer could possibly gain because they weren't causing the S-Class fear and didn't exist at the time of the statement. Judging by the context, this also wouldn't be the collective threat of these 4 monsters since each one performed the same feat individually.
So, my suggestion is that these monsters (barring HE, since he's already there) should scale to someone like Vaccine Man, who's very much a known threat to the Association and the first Dragon level to ever appear. Maybe Beefcake, as well.
They should be Small City level, Higher with Full Power without any Hammerhead scaling.
The fact that G5 beat them doesn't suggest they aren't Small City level, or something. It's quite possible that the suits just weren't activated.
Rover: Fought against Half-Monster Garou. Appeared behind Bang, Bomb, and Fubuki before they even realized he had moved
Fubuki: Can defend against Rover’s blasts
Genos/Sonic: with Fubuki being incapable of perceiving the fight
Human Garou: Once he got serious, he pummelled Tanktop Master before he could even react, striking his joints and vital spots in the process. Kept up with Post-Superfight Genos while weakened
This scaling is circular and falls apart when you think about it for like 5 seconds. It scales Fubuki to Rover and Rover to Fubuki, while saying that that a weakened Human Garou could keep up with a much faster form of Genos and that a slower form of Genos is way faster than Fubuki, who scales to the Rover that scales to Half-Monster Garou.
If you go even further into the scaling, it also puts Post-G4 Genos above MA Genos since Bang is scaled above Atomic Samurai, who's scaled above Psykos' blasts, which are scaled equally with MA Genos. The biggest mistake, however, was putting Post-G4 Genos and Fubuki anywhere near Atomic Samurai when he performs feats that put even MA Genos to shame and would've massacred a post-Orochi Garou that scales above when he was able to keep up with Rover.
Honestly, this is so scuffed that I can't think of a way to fix this other than removing Fubuki from the equation.
Rover also has tons of anti-feats that put him behind Atomic Samurai and Bang, like Fubuki (who couldn't even see Bomb's fight with Garou) constantly reacting to his attacks at point-blank range, Half-Monster Garou (who was slower than Darkshine, Bang, etc at the time) being able to keep up with a prolonged barrage from an even faster Rover, and Bang and Bomb blitzing him just because their back pain got healed.
Would have tagged Bushidrill if Amai Mask hadn't stopped her
The Swordsmen were all back to back and surrounded by Narinki's squad, which explicitly gave her an opening. Not only that, but it's very unclear that her attempt would've even been successful given that Bushdrill had his sword in front of himself at the same moment that Sweet Mask caught the whip, despite his sword being on the opposite side previously. It's quite possible that Sweet Mask was doing it to show off (something that's in-character) or make a dramatic entrance rather than saving Bushdrill, but we can only speculate here.
Restrained Amai Mask and stabbed his eye before he could react
That isn't what really happened. Do-S restrained Sweet Mask before he could react, since he wasn't even looking at her, but he was already restrained (albeit briefly) at the point where she attacks. It's only afterwards that SM can break out, so this is obviously this is based entirely on catching him off guard with a shapeshifting power he probably doesn't even know she has.
Also, Do-S repeatedly gets blitzed by Sweet Mask, who's shown to be roughly on par with the Swordsmen in terms of speed. In fact, Sweet Mask wasn't noticed by Do-S at all when he first caught the whip and wasn't seen in the previous panels, suggesting that he blitzed her by either intercepting the whip from the same direction as the Swordsmen, or ran past her and caught it.
To kill a point before it's made, let's just pretend someone said Do-S is faster than Narinki's squad. Well, at that time the squad had just been stomped by G5, who's way slower than Genos and the calculation he scales to.
So, basically, Do-S isn't tens of times slower than the Swordsmen, but she's noticeably much slower normally.
We downgraded Genos a while ago, so Bad's High Hypersonic+ would become at least Hypersonic.
There's also the Murata quote, but we don't use Murata quotes.
Take it somewhere else if you want an unrelated upgrade for Boros, Golden Sperm, etc. Better calculations for the topics I'm addressing is fine, though.
Psykos Calc Downgrade
Cyber_Vergil recalculated Psykos' beams to 400 kilotons (Large Town level) and Mach 200 (Massively Hypersonic).House of Evolution Calculation
TheRustyOne said there wasn't enough evidence for vaporization, and that we should go with violent fragmentation. This reduces the calculation to 420 tons of TNT (Multi-City Block level).I'm pretty sure there's a litany of better calculations for Genos and comparable characters, though. So feel free to post them.
For now, Genos, PPP and DSK would scale to 8-A+. This is consistent with less than half power PPP alone surpassing Hammerhead's 225 ton calc.
Edit: The Giant Crow calculation is invalid. They'd still be baseline 8-A+ through scaling to PPP.
The AP Upgrades (Edit: Possibly)
Edit: Not happening. I've debunked this.It's stated that humanity hadn't knowingly faced a threat on the level of the Cadres (Homeless Emperor, Black Sperm, Gums, Evil Natural Water and Fuhrer Ugly) who were causing the S-Class/Sweet Mask to feel true fear at this moment. This doesn't refer to the Monster Association as a whole, the amount of liquid ENW could potentially absorb, or the power that Fuhrer could possibly gain because they weren't causing the S-Class fear and didn't exist at the time of the statement. Judging by the context, this also wouldn't be the collective threat of these 4 monsters since each one performed the same feat individually.
So, my suggestion is that these monsters (barring HE, since he's already there) should scale to someone like Vaccine Man, who's very much a known threat to the Association and the first Dragon level to ever appear. Maybe Beefcake, as well.
Narinki Squad Suits
This is the bulked up version of the Narinki Squad suits, and these are the default forms. As you can see, they weren't bulked up in these scenes. The only time they ever bulked up was under Do-S' influence, and it's unknown if the amp does anythingThey should be Small City level, Higher with Full Power without any Hammerhead scaling.
The fact that G5 beat them doesn't suggest they aren't Small City level, or something. It's quite possible that the suits just weren't activated.
Speed
Iaian/ENW
Iaian's AP was downgraded here, but almost the exact logic would apply to his speed. So he and ENW shouldn't scale to Atomic Samurai, just Psykos' blasts via Homeless Emperor and VFU scaling.Genos, Drive Knight and Psykos
The main problem with the rating currently is that Psykos and Drive Knight's energy attack speed is just that: attack speed. Hell, if they're shooting ahead of themselves, the energy literally has to be faster than their own travel speed to exit whatever weapons these characters are firing.- DK blasts her from a considerable distance.
- They're able to fire in perfectly straight lines while mid-flight without firing ahead, showing that their own beams can statue them. It also proves that their beam speed is comparable.
- DK's blasts straight up outspeed Psykos.
- Psykos tags DK without firing ahead.
- DK's energy blasts fire well ahead of him.
- DK fires well ahead of Psykos.
Do-S, Fubuki, Sonic, Rover and Garou
We'll get to Do-S later.Rover: Fought against Half-Monster Garou. Appeared behind Bang, Bomb, and Fubuki before they even realized he had moved
Fubuki: Can defend against Rover’s blasts
Genos/Sonic: with Fubuki being incapable of perceiving the fight
Human Garou: Once he got serious, he pummelled Tanktop Master before he could even react, striking his joints and vital spots in the process. Kept up with Post-Superfight Genos while weakened
This scaling is circular and falls apart when you think about it for like 5 seconds. It scales Fubuki to Rover and Rover to Fubuki, while saying that that a weakened Human Garou could keep up with a much faster form of Genos and that a slower form of Genos is way faster than Fubuki, who scales to the Rover that scales to Half-Monster Garou.
If you go even further into the scaling, it also puts Post-G4 Genos above MA Genos since Bang is scaled above Atomic Samurai, who's scaled above Psykos' blasts, which are scaled equally with MA Genos. The biggest mistake, however, was putting Post-G4 Genos and Fubuki anywhere near Atomic Samurai when he performs feats that put even MA Genos to shame and would've massacred a post-Orochi Garou that scales above when he was able to keep up with Rover.
Honestly, this is so scuffed that I can't think of a way to fix this other than removing Fubuki from the equation.
Rover Specific
Honestly, I don't think surprising Bang and Bomb via ambush and not actually landing an attack is much of a speed feat.Rover also has tons of anti-feats that put him behind Atomic Samurai and Bang, like Fubuki (who couldn't even see Bomb's fight with Garou) constantly reacting to his attacks at point-blank range, Half-Monster Garou (who was slower than Darkshine, Bang, etc at the time) being able to keep up with a prolonged barrage from an even faster Rover, and Bang and Bomb blitzing him just because their back pain got healed.
Do-S Specific
In my opinion, Do-S shouldn't scale 1 to 1 with any of these characters.Would have tagged Bushidrill if Amai Mask hadn't stopped her
The Swordsmen were all back to back and surrounded by Narinki's squad, which explicitly gave her an opening. Not only that, but it's very unclear that her attempt would've even been successful given that Bushdrill had his sword in front of himself at the same moment that Sweet Mask caught the whip, despite his sword being on the opposite side previously. It's quite possible that Sweet Mask was doing it to show off (something that's in-character) or make a dramatic entrance rather than saving Bushdrill, but we can only speculate here.
Restrained Amai Mask and stabbed his eye before he could react
That isn't what really happened. Do-S restrained Sweet Mask before he could react, since he wasn't even looking at her, but he was already restrained (albeit briefly) at the point where she attacks. It's only afterwards that SM can break out, so this is obviously this is based entirely on catching him off guard with a shapeshifting power he probably doesn't even know she has.
Also, Do-S repeatedly gets blitzed by Sweet Mask, who's shown to be roughly on par with the Swordsmen in terms of speed. In fact, Sweet Mask wasn't noticed by Do-S at all when he first caught the whip and wasn't seen in the previous panels, suggesting that he blitzed her by either intercepting the whip from the same direction as the Swordsmen, or ran past her and caught it.
To kill a point before it's made, let's just pretend someone said Do-S is faster than Narinki's squad. Well, at that time the squad had just been stomped by G5, who's way slower than Genos and the calculation he scales to.
So, basically, Do-S isn't tens of times slower than the Swordsmen, but she's noticeably much slower normally.
Miscellaneous
Tanktop Master, Gums and Pig God should scale to whatever Genos does since that's literally their current ratings.We downgraded Genos a while ago, so Bad's High Hypersonic+ would become at least Hypersonic.
Saitama Accelerated Development
Basically, we should remove the day by day thing from the audiobook. It's just the limitations of Genos' simulation, and Genos having any idea of Saitama's actual strength at that point completely contradicts the narrative of the series.- Genos: Please excuse me, I failed to let you know beforehand… Your current enemy was, yesterday’s Saitama Sensei…
- Saitama: Oh, was that so?
- Genos: As such, even though Saitama Sensei lost, it was against himself at full power, please don’t mind it too much…
- Saitama: Nope, it was over in One Punch.
- Genos: Yes… eh? You... you won?
- Saitama: Obviously. Why would I lose to yesterday’s me?
- Saitama: H- Hey… What are you writing down in the memo?
- Genos: However, that you won in one punch, that’s incomprehensible. Sensei is far more powerful today than he was yesterday… is that even possible?
- Saitama: It’s just unreliable simulated data right?
- Genos: No but-
- Saitama: GENOS!
- Genos: Yes!?
- Serious Saitama: It doesn’t matter how strong you become in the virtual world, it will never change who you are in real life. I learned this lesson the hard way as a kid when I was so obsessed with leveling up in an RPG I missed my entire summer holiday.
- Genos: It will read your brainwaves; you just have to imagine the normal scenario.
- Zombieman: Hmph, if the device can read my brainwaves and recreate my body's abilities as well as the damages in the simulation, it will be a reflection of my characteristics in actual combat.
- Zombieman: It must be because my brain isn't acknowledging this as real danger on a cognitive level.
- Metal Bat: No way Jose. I might have lost in the game world, but in the real world it won’t go like that. It might be over once you die in the game world, but in the real world, a death is just a flesh wound. You can totally revive through fighting spirit and have another go, know what I’m saying?!!
There's also the Murata quote, but we don't use Murata quotes.
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