Hasty12345
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Makes sense I guess
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General DC Comics Discussion Thread
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Looks good, intelligence can be changed based on this thread as you already agreed. but don't we need a crt for speed rating as it's a tier 1 character?
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Herald tier characters in general should be placed only in 2C - 2A lvl unless they have massive boost to their power in the storylines.Honestly, I think that either a 1-A Superman or a High 1-A inner essence regular Thor should be treated as massive outliers/extreme inconsistencies.
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In the case, an exception can be made. The thread that removed it primarily focuses on the notion that the profile lacked justification. So, obviously, there's no need for an extra step just to add that back.
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Well i don't mind this way either, If others agree with this.
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Yes, at the very most.
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Not really. If the Multiverse itself has a structure much of a certain tier and the character scale to it then obviously they need a upgrade that merits their power level. That's how it works they scale base on their feats being consistently on those level and Superman should be much higher than 2-C.Yes, at the very most.
So it’s more so at the very least they should be those tiers. Superman is regularly Multiversal by scale and he gets more and more ridiculous like Thor and Hulk. If we're objectifying “herald tiers” as just that because there's no logical sense to get them higher then we're ignoring the comics that go against this notion.
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Hmm. I personally think that it seems too inconsistent to scale them from the most powerful characters that they have ever fought in any case, given the nonsensically extremely inconsistent plot conventions in this area for their respective verses. It seems far more reliable to at least scale them from their own feats instead.
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I do think sticking with the decades old notion of “herald tier” characters is asking to be purposefully inaccurate with our scaling. DC and Marvel as much as it gets annoying sometimes is pushing to have some characters be stronger than ever before and do consistently give them higher tier feats.
I think there should be more of an emphasis on scaling individual characters based on their own feats than “everybody fights everybody” scaling comics love to do.
I think there should be more of an emphasis on scaling individual characters based on their own feats than “everybody fights everybody” scaling comics love to do.
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We can scale them based on feat, yes, I literally mentioned that's the best way to go. How you said that kind of sounds like you're objectifying a certain class to only be around those tiers because it apparently “makes more sense.” If they have feats to land them as Low 1-A then they get that, there's no “it doesn't make sense,” “it seems like an outlier,” or “it doesn't seem consistent.”
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We gotta fix the Crisis Cosmology portion of the thread as well. The gaps are too large to between things in the Multiverse and what lies beyond the Source Wall. There's simply no way some of the Sphere residents are only 1-B yet Perpetua is 1-A which makes no sense how she has a 1-B key yet is likely 1-A.
I know there's example like Cestis being 9-B and having a High 1-A key, but with her case shows that's she's more likely human than cosmic in her physical form. Perpetua is not that limited to having that large of a gap in keys.
I know there's example like Cestis being 9-B and having a High 1-A key, but with her case shows that's she's more likely human than cosmic in her physical form. Perpetua is not that limited to having that large of a gap in keys.
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I agree with this.
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1B ratings should be removed for perpetua imo. Crisis cosmology needs to be revamped . Sphere of gods is transcendental realm beyond the Multiverse / Omniverse . Darkseid should be low 1A even if he still confined within the source wall
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What's the context of this and how does it prove L1-A?
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But not beyond the Omniverse. The Omniverse actually encompasses the Sphere of the Gods. What is stopping us from upgrading Creation to Low 1-A or 1-A is the Divine Continuum which represents the entirety of space and time. Even Ultima_Reality said this when I asked him about it.
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Yes . Omniverse refers to space /time in the comics. Only perpetua , hands and her son's should scale to it .
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As for Crisis Cosmology concerning the gap between 1-B and 1-A, the Greater Omniverse (or "The Infinite") contains the planes of the Speed Force that completely transcend space and time and have R>F over Creation, and the Greater Omniverse is where The Source is located since it stands at its center.
What might upgrade Creation to 1-A is to assume that the Speed Force is located at the borders of the Orrery of Worlds as indicated by the Multiverse Map and use elements from Animal Man about Comic Book Limbo. The problem is that this would not be consistent with the Divine Continuum which is supposed to be the entirety of Creation and Space-Time.
What might upgrade Creation to 1-A is to assume that the Speed Force is located at the borders of the Orrery of Worlds as indicated by the Multiverse Map and use elements from Animal Man about Comic Book Limbo. The problem is that this would not be consistent with the Divine Continuum which is supposed to be the entirety of Creation and Space-Time.
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Has Superman ever interacted with the source itself? it would be an awesome NPI feat
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I would concur with this, I'm not entirely sure how to calculate a feat like that.In worst case you can at least likely automatically rate it as 3-B at least.
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Thank you
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Perpetua should be straight up 1A. She created space and time from the void
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Yes. As well as the Monitor Brothers and the Sixth Dimension.
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That seems fine to me as well then.
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I wonder if i could use the Time Cube and Hypercube Time from The Return of Bruce Wayne to upgrade Hypertime to 1-A eventually despite the issue with the Divine Continuum since there are direct statements of R>F? I need more inputs from knowledgeable members.
This information may be too outdated to use since it was mentioned once in one story.
This information may be too outdated to use since it was mentioned once in one story.
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Just to note the Deep Change emanated all matter, energy, and time(Flash #15), and the Flash family can freely use it.
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I have some scans for higher scaling, but they're not the same authors we included for Crisis Cosmology.
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Seems very far into the future.
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I plan to, but it's gonna take a bit
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It depends on whether these scans are sufficiently consistent with Crisis Cosmology.
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I would like to ask a few experts here on Raven. i don't think Unkindness qualifies as 1-A at all, it's more like 1-B in my opinion.
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Why?
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I realized that we can't use some of the scans due to how time and space are treated. However, there's a relatively good scan to use for a hierarchy though:
Such as this
Also, something cool about time and space being at the edge of the Cosmos(Monitor Sphere, most likely). Cool to use for 5th Dimension and 6th Dimension being above those concepts.
Justice League America Vol.1 #74
Arion, Lord of Atlantis Vol.1 #1
