General DC Comics Discussion Thread

[ImmortalDread]

This still does not grant any infinity speed, rather MFTL+. To get infinite speed, can they just go outside the multiverse? Because this requires infinite speed.

 

[Vondoom]

What do you think about dark crisis issues 7 ?
Great darkness = fodder

I am sure moving from end to end of an infinite multiverse and around it is infinite speed. Besides we see them clearly pass the "Orrery of worlds" to go beyond to the godsphere and even beyond the Monitor Sphere.
Orrery of worlds is where the infinite multiverses currently are (mini omniverse).

 

[ImmortalDread]

Oh, thanks for additional information. This makes sense, then. Thank you!

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I mean they already have Immeasurable speed.

 

[ImmortalDread]

I mean they already have Immeasurable speed.

Her conclusion was MFTL+ and likely infinite speed, so I asked around to understand the basis.

 

[Vondoom]

Oh, thanks for additional information. This makes sense, then. Thank you!

No problem.

I mean they already have Immeasurable speed.

Yeah but Current justification is like this:
Speed: Massively FTL+ (Faster than his Pre-Flashpoint self following his return from the Speed Force.[14] Swifter than Superman[15] and Barry Allen).

I'm proposing it to be like this:
Speed: Massively FTL+ up to Infinite (Faster than his Pre-Flashpoint self following his return from the Speed Force.[14] Swifter than Superman[15] and Barry Allen).

Since they could moving across the multiverse even beyond the orrery to purge the Darkness that affected the entire multiverse.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

Yeah but Current justification is like this:
Speed: Massively FTL+ (Faster than his Pre-Flashpoint self following his return from the Speed Force.[14] Swifter than Superman[15] and Barry Allen).

Yeah and Immeasurable speed comes afterwards. Plus they were running through the speed force when the feat happened. And running through the speed force is immeasurable.

 

[Vondoom]

Yeah and Immeasurable speed comes afterwards. Plus they were running through the speed force when the feat happened. And running through the speed force is immeasurable.

Yeah I know that, they weren't running through it..wasn't stated they were plus it wouldn't make sense in a way.

We can clearly see Doctor light with them and earths behind her so I disagree they were in the speed force, plus whenever they wanna enter the speed force it's always mentioned they are going to and tell each other to be close and not to get lost and blah,blah family.

This scan proves clearly they weren't in the speed force but normal 4-D multiverse.

Speed: Massively FTL+ up to Infinite, they need this on their profile since it's truly deserved.

 

[ImmortalDread]

It's pain in my eyes to see a large post like this. Can you use “links” feature instead tho? It would be really better.

 

[Vondoom]

It's pain in my eyes to see a large post like this. Can you use “links” feature instead tho? It would be really better.

Sorry, will do further on...thought it would be easier in form of images than links.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Will we ever get a revised version of spectre’s profile?

 

[ImmortalDread]

Not sure

 

[Antvasima]

That's the map of the multiverse, the DC multiverse is now infinite since infinite frontier, you can see them moving around it to clear the darkness from the multiverse.

Yeah I know that, they weren't running through it..wasn't stated they were plus it wouldn't make sense in a way.

We can clearly see Doctor light with them and earths behind her so I disagree they were in the speed force, plus whenever they wanna enter the speed force it's always mentioned they are going to and tell each other to be close and not to get lost and blah,blah family.

This scan proves clearly they weren't in the speed force but normal 4-D multiverse.

Speed: Massively FTL+ up to Infinite, they need this on their profile since it's truly deserved.

I cannot see the images here.

 

[Antvasima]

Well Dark Crisis was just lame.

It all just kinda happened and it just ended while teasing bigger events. And the fact it came not long after a much bigger and better event that had far better build up made it feel so empty. The next event looks to be hella mid I ain't gonna lie. They also threw around all these cool things and power ups only to instantly throw them away.

Big Bang and Hal and Barry's friendship was the only thing I enjoyed out of this.

It was basically just a much worse written thematic follow-up to Infinite Crisis from 2006, created solely to conceitedly and deceitfully mock, distort, scapegoat, lie about, and attack all readers who prefer the brighter, friendlier, more characteristic and respectful, and overall more entertaining superhero comic books of times past.

So the writers and editors systematically attack their audience over and over again to the point that most of them first do not want to financially support them anymore, and finally are not even willing to compulsively punish themselves with western media mind poison for free anymore, which is the phase that I have entered, and as such the people who irresponsibly mishandle the beloved classic characters entrusted to them push themselves closer and closer to bankrupcy in the process. Congratulations.

I think that Doctor Light's comment at the end of the above story applies far more to the people who mishandle their responsibilities than to the disappointed formerly very loyal fans, but of course, very few of them have sufficiently high self-awareness to see it.

"Pariah and the others before him failed to save the infinite Earths because they wanted to control them... to find perfection. But perfection is boring. ...The multiverse needs to be free..."

After all, at the end of the day, they are the ones who have enslaved and severely twisted these settings and characters to fulfill their personal ideological agendas for many years now, not the readers.

That said, they do have a point about that I like nicer stories, not ones that are sick, twisted, disgusting, cynical, morbid, deceitful, lying, and depraved, but that isn't really about perfection (which is basically a holy bright shining void of absolute love, unity, oneness, and transduality, as I currently understand it), just an overall health issue.

If they want to create their own settings/stories instead, great. I even like plenty of very progressive modern fictions, as long as they do not have the above-mentioned problems. However, do not twist all previously existing media franchises and characters into something entirely different.

 

[Antvasima]

Then again, plenty of fans probably want to go just as far in the other direction, which definitely wouldn't be good either.

I mainly just want the writers to take their responsibilities as caretakers seriously, stay true to the characters and settings, and produce well-written stories that are not morbid, poisonous, deceitful, and cynical, as well as have them make some coherent logical sense in a greater context.

 

[Antvasima]

Do you all know that Dan Didiot seriously talked with Grant Morrison about turning the mainstream version of Superman into a version of his Injustice counterpart right before he finally was fired after smugly and gleefully already systematically doing more damage to the DC Comics setting than any other person in history?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Do you all know that Dan Didiot seriously talked with Grant Morrison about turning the mainstream version of Superman into a version of his Injustice counterpart right before he finally was fired after smugly and gleefully already systematically doing more damage to the DC Comics setting than any other person in history?

Wtf

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

Do you all know that Dan Didiot seriously talked with Grant Morrison about turning the mainstream version of Superman into a version of his Injustice counterpart right before he finally was fired after smugly and gleefully already systematically doing more damage to the DC Comics setting than any other person in history?

Que rayo?!?

 

[NHTkenshin2]

About Pariah, was TGD just a piece of her imagination? Been hearing lots of people on Quora claim this

The entire cosmology of the Great Darkness has been revoked and relayed differently to Constantine. Whatever the Original Great Darkness...

The entire cosmology of the Great Darkness has been revoked and relayed differently to Constantine. Whatever the Original Great Darkness was, it too is now corrupted by something else... The Darkness was taken into the Light. The opposite of what the older issues from last year said. The heroes...

fictonialmythos.quora.com

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Sometimes the thing I thing I hate about marvel and dc is The depending on the writer trope

Like you got one character who has he/she is evil but does have standards and that should be consistent for this character but then another writer makes it so he/she doesn’t have standards. Which kinda ruins everything.

take this one for example

How evil is Cheshire, and more specifically, how much does she care about her former lover, Roy, and their daughter, Lian? Sometimes they're a case of Morality Pet or Even Evil Has Loved Ones, but other writers go out of their way to portray her as not giving a damn about them.

Don’t know much about her but I heard Cheshire is half Vietnamese and was a victim of genocide, so you would assume she wouldn’t commit something genocidal. (She did have standards but some writers make it like she doesn’t how I hate inconsistency)

Spoiler: Example

The Teen Titans foe Cheshire, in her earliest appearances, did have standards. One issue had her hired by a white racist to murder a black civil rights leader who was pushing to end Apartheid in South Africa, with the added insult of then framing her victim as a Soviet sympathizer. This would effectively tarnish his reputation and lead to other black activists being discredited and killed, thus bringing the civil rights movement to a halt. However, upon killing the activist, Cheshire instead planted the evidence on her own employer, leading to his arrest and execution for treason, as well as the murdered activist becoming a martyr. It was earlier implied that Cheshire's own racial heritage (being half-Vietnamese) led to her obvious discomfort over being hired by white supremacists.

• Time went on, however, and Cheshire apparently decided that to get what she wants, maybe she shouldn't have standards. Amongst her later career, she literally detonated a nuke in a Middle Eastern country, manipulated Catman into getting her pregnant, and announced she didn't care that her daughter could be killed for her employer due to said pregnancy as she would still have a child afterwards. The latter incident however seems to have been Retconned to an extent, since she was absolutely devastated and vengeful when her daughter did actually die. Either that or she was bluffing when she said she didn't care about her in the first place. In all honesty, Cheshire's characterization has not been consistent since the Qurac incident. She's either portrayed as having at least some shred of decency left inside her or she's portrayed as incapable of any genuine emotional capability

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Yeah wouldn’t it be better if character personality’s in marvel and dc were more consistent. Why do they always gotta ruin their consistency.

it’s like one minute (this is a dc thread not a marvel thread but it’s still relevant) kingpin hates drugs and the next minute he does drug business.

damn if your gonna give villains in marvel and dc some standards/limits they won’t cross then they gonna have to make sure it sticks that way otherwise bad writing/what’s the point of the standards if the writers make it so inconsistent.

 

[Antvasima]

Wtf

Grant stated it in an interview about his recent Superman and the Authority run. He took the job to prevent that from happening.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Grant stated it in an interview about his recent Superman and the Authority run. He took the job to prevent that from happening.

Thank the high heavens. Like, I'm already biased against Injustice in general, but even setting my bias aside, it's a very bad idea to mess up with one of the most iconic and inspiring characters of all time in any sort of canonical storyline. It just wouldn't work.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, Dan Didiot explicitly wanted to turn Superman into a very far-right tyrannical fascist, which would have been the final nail in the coffin for DC Comics as a whole.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Can anyone answer the questions I asked above.

I know marvel and dc are interested in writing good stories but why the inconsistency, I’m not talking power levels here, I’m more talking like personality.

 

[Antvasima]

Because the writers are recurrently arrogant and irresponsible in this area, and the editors are not able to do their jobs properly, either due to fearing that the writers will leave, or due to not having sufficient knowledge, common sense, and/or discipline.

 

[LordTracer]

These franchises are literally 80+ years old with hundreds of writers. Obviously, there’s going to be some inconsistency.

 

[ImmortalDread]

^

 

[Deleted member 2530]

Do you all know that Dan Didiot seriously talked with Grant Morrison about turning the mainstream version of Superman into a version of his Injustice counterpart right before he finally was fired after smugly and gleefully already systematically doing more damage to the DC Comics setting than any other person in history?

Rad. Jokes aside, Injustice series is really trash. From the stupid deaths caused by Superman's allies to how Batman and his allies plan ranges from "making deal with Ares" to "summoning Trigon". I am not sure if they were intentionally written like that to show their hypocrisy or not but scenes like Kate's Holier than Though "I will never stoop to your level" falls really flat when Trigon is raging on the background.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Rad. Jokes aside, Injustice series is really trash. From the stupid deaths caused by Superman's allies to how Batman and his allies plan ranges from "making deal with Ares" to "summoning Trigon". I am not sure if they were intentionally written like that to show their hypocrisy or not but scenes like Kate's Holier than Though "I will never stoop to your level" falls really flat when Trigon is raging on the background.

Yeah and also Superman would never act like that cause as this thread discussed before, Manchester black incident is proof that Superman will never turn to the darkside.

 

[LordTracer]

but are comic book characters sexier and hotter than our manga waifu speedwagon?

Yes

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Also this is a little off-topic but I’ve classified how successful a CRT is accepted by these five difficulties from easiest to hardest

difficulty : about as easy as stealing candy from emirp sumito

difficulty : about as easy as stealing candy from Mr. bambu

difficulty : about as easy as stealing candy from sir ovens

difficulty : about as easy as stealing candy from darkdragonmedeus

difficulty : about as easy as stealing candy from antvasima

I guess classify difficulties based on the equivalent to how easy it would be to steal candy from moderator though why would you steal candy from one in the first place

 

[Vondoom]

About Pariah, was TGD just a piece of her imagination? Been hearing lots of people on Quora claim this

The entire cosmology of the Great Darkness has been revoked and relayed differently to Constantine. Whatever the Original Great Darkness...

The entire cosmology of the Great Darkness has been revoked and relayed differently to Constantine. Whatever the Original Great Darkness was, it too is now corrupted by something else... The Darkness was taken into the Light. The opposite of what the older issues from last year said. The heroes...

fictonialmythos.quora.com

Yeah a fragment of Great darkness power/being affected him, all was just in his head and the Great darkness was never involved.

 

[The_Smashor]

Comics doesn’t have astolfo. Checkmate

Astolfo is technically a video game character so nobody in this discussion gets him.

I'm pretty sure that was meant to be a trap and Barry even explains why he wants to move on from hating Thawne?

You can move on from hating someone and not forgive them for doing literally almost everything bad that's ever happened to you. Like, Superman dosn't hate Lex Luthor, but he's not gonna forgive him for everything he's done either.

As for that being a trap, Barry's shown himself capable of blitzing Thawne if he can catch him off guard, even people without any superpowers have done that more than once in that very storyline IIRC.

I think Barry forgiving Thawne could work, but Thawne would need to do something to not be the biggest piece of shit in the omniverse first and maybe not reveal literally all of his redeeming qualities not 5 seconds earlier. IDK, maybe make it so that Thawne runs away from the fight after that and starts to question himself. There just had to be a better way to do that.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I think Barry forgiving Thawne could work, but Thawne would need to do something to not be the biggest piece of shit in the omniverse first.

I don't think that was the intent of the scene. It think its less "I forgive you for killing my mom, we're cool" and more "I'm done playing this endless circle and I'm ready to move on with my life".

As for that being a trap, Barry's shown himself capable of blitzing Thawne if he can catch him off guard, even people without any superpowers have done that more than once in that very storyline IIRC.

That usually happens when Thawne is off guard or busy monologuing. That's not really the case here.

Here, Thawne is blinded by anger and rushes straight against Barry without thinking. He obviously isn't able to comprehend his idol is just moving on from him and so that obviously pisses him off and what ultimately drives him to his downfall. Thawne's entire motivation is to make Barry's life about him. So when Barry says "I forgive you and I'm moving on with life" to Thawne, its Barry leaving Thawne in the dust and leaving Thawne back at square one, almost like Thawne meant nothing to Barry. Obviously the sociopathic speedster who was alone for most of his life and had no love for anything besides his idol isn't gonna take that well.

 

[The_Smashor]

Here, Thawne is blinded by anger and rushes straight against Barry without thinking. He obviously isn't able to comprehend his idol is just moving on from him and so that obviously pisses him off and what ultimately drives him to his downfall. Thawne's entire motivation is to make Barry's life about him. So when Barry says "I forgive you and I'm moving on" to Thawne, its Barry leaving Thawne in the dust and leaving Thawne back at square one.

Still, Barry didn't say "I'm moving on". He said "I forgive you". There's a big difference.

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

As I said, I think that was more a trick to lure Thawne into Barry's trap.

Thawne wouldn't be able to comprehend that the guy he spend most of his life torturing just forgave him so easily, almost like whatever Thawne did simply did not matter to Barry. Which leads him to get angry. Which leads him to be reckless. The guy is a narcissist

Also I don't see how Thawne just being "forgiven" after everything he's done makes him a bad character, if anything that's more Barry's flaw than Thawne's? Even Thawne himself is very pissed that Barry just forgave him like that.

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

What if we gave Darkseid a snickers?

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

What if we gave Darkseid a snickers?

Lmao where is this from

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Lmao where is this from

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