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Hence 4-A, Possibly Low 2-C. We could also say 4-A, At Most Low 2-C
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Game Sonic CRT: The End Of A Stellar Era
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Scaling someone to someone they explicitly can’t hurt is a little weird.
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Then why does ANY Final Boss aside from Solaris (and Dark Gaia) scale to Super Sonic? Most of them can't hurt him, but they can still push him back/stagger him which is enough to downscale, especially since they can tank his attacks.
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Most of them have the “Powered by the seven Chaos Emeralds” thing going for them
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I know, I already explained why that shouldn't be too much of an issue for the Advance bosses. Hell for all we know, they could be powered by the emeralds too. It's not like they need to be inside the machine in order to power them (as seen in Sonic Advance 3), and since we know for a fact that they can keep up with Super Sonic, it just feels so wrong to disregard this scaling because it lacks a plot detail to its background that not even all final bosses have anyway. Is Mother Wisp gonna stay 4-A despite not being related to the FEB in any way? That doesn't make any sense either.
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The day that happens is the day MikeBro has valid reasons for a Sonic downgrade.
Haha, jokes aside I'm gonna get more staff for this
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To be fair, I never said you didn't lol.
I figured more staff would be in this thread. It SEEMED like a big deal oof
I figured more staff would be in this thread. It SEEMED like a big deal oof
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Just ask them to give input on their message wall
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With that invulnerability by Super Sonic, even if the bot was Low 2-C, it wouldn’t cause damage :V
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Agreed unless the boss has shown to be able to harm a super form while also having their own tier 2 feats/statements (E.g: Egg Salamander or Phantom King). Scaling bosses to them is a bit dubious with the invulnerability.
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You could argue Knuckles nulled the Chaos Emeralds with his connection to the Master Emerald but I guess that’s headcanon atm.
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Even if you exclude the theory that Knuckles nulled the Emeralds in this instance, him knocking out Super Sonic is a textbook outlier. I still stand by scaling the Advance final bosses to Low 2-C in SOME way. No one really debunked my arguments
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Also I'll stand by my intial response, at least Dark Gaia and Metal Overlord had major context behind their fights. The Advance bosses don't really have much context (Except for Ultimate Gemerl who actually was powered by the emeralds and can even freeze Super Sonic).
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Yeah Ultimate Gemerl should straight up scale to Low 2-C since he uses the Emeralds to transform and can freeze Super Sonic
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Super Egg Robot apparently can trap Super Sonic for a moment but I haven’t seen it in action to make a gif out of it.
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Considering Super Sonic could only harm her by attacking her eyes, I’d say she scales
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Wisps are a bit weird. I heard there was cut content of Wisp power being stronger than Chaos Energy. Seems it was removed like Eggman having a fake mustache line.
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Also the implications of the Black Arms = Wisps with the unused line about an one eyed black wisp (That suspiciously sounds like Dooms eye) getting cast out.Wisps are a bit weird. I heard there was cut content of Wisp power being stronger than Chaos Energy. Seems it was removed like Eggman having a fake mustache line.
Either way Mother Wisp should scale too and she's far above her kids that can individually create black holes.
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I don't see why all 4-A bosses wouldn't scale just cause Sonic changed to a different number
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I mean, that sounds like supporting evidence Chaos Energy varies on how much power it gives (For Games. Archie Prefect Chaos is still Archie's main Outlier with those darn Super Emeralds)
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I think there were arguments of him just being 2-C because he is an echidna
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I’m sorry but *Echidna
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Why? The reason was that echidnas can use the full power of the ME, unlike others
Btw this note from Eggman's profile needs to be removed/reworded
It was added recently, without a CRT even, and it makes no sense, Eggman never outruns Super Sonic in the classic games, either it should be reworded to remove that super and keep it as just Sonic, or just removed in the first place
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That is true. The only two times Eggman is "outrunning" Sonic in the Classic Games are in Sonic 2 and in Sonic 3 & Knuckles, and in both cases Sonic is unable to turn Super while chasing Eggman
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oh you mean like that, I thought you were saying that people were trying to upscale him in his entirety to 2-C just because he is an echidna, yeah that is why I stated at least low 2-C, also that causes circular scaling if we do upscale him cause it makes Super Sonic/Chaos emeralds<Hyper Sonic/Super Emeralds<ME<Ix<Super Sonic
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Yeah that's true
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That's exactly why scaling him to the full power of the Master Emerald is wrong, because the scaling it creates contradicts itself
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Yeah IX definitely scale to Super Sonic, and might to his full power as well, but scaling him to the full power of the ME is a big no
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Hardly anyone cares about any of the threads I care about these days.
