Game of Thrones & A Song of Ice and Fire General Discussion

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

A Song of Ice and Fire: Speed Downgrade

Most ASOIAF characters are subsonic via this feat where Qotho does afterimages with his raw speed: Qotho danced backward, arakh whirling around his head in a shining blur, flickering out like lightning as the knight came on in a rush. Ser Jorah parried as best he could, but the slashes came so...

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[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

How many of you watch Phoenix Ashes?

Not me.
I watch Alt Shift X and David Lightbringer

 

[LordTracer]

For me, it’s Alt Shift X and Quinn the GM.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Not me.
I watch Alt Shift X and David Lightbringer

For me, it’s Alt Shift X and Quinn the GM.

I would recommend them. Phoenix Ashes is a small-time channel with regular weekly video essays. Their takes on the series are some of the most interesting I've watched and a fresh departure from the usual rhetoric in the fandom.

 

[BLS]

Don't forget about Jon

Or Young Griff, whether or not he is a real Targaryen he still has the name.

 

[LordTracer]

Or Young Griff, whether or not he is a real Targaryen he still has the name.

How can there be any doubt? He is Aegon VI Targaryen, the trueborn son of Rhaegar Targaryen and the rightful King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men!

this is a joke, he‘s 110% a Blackfyre

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

Or Young Griff, whether or not he is a real Targaryen he still has the name.

How can there be any doubt? He is Aegon VI Targaryen, the trueborn son of Rhaegar Targaryen and the rightful King of the Andals, the Rhoynar, and the First Men!

this is a joke, he‘s 110% a Blackfyre

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Art the Clown vs Damon Julian
It doesn't concern ASOIAF/GOT characters but one of his characters is a GRRM character, so...

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

this is a joke, he‘s 110% a Blackfyre

And if that's not the case, I riot

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

And if that's not the case, I riot

Team Rocket of Westeros deserves at least one victory

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I think they already know this theory, it is very well known in the fandom

 

[LordTracer]

I like to think that Daeron II actually was falseborn, so ironically, the Blackfyres (and by extension Young Griff) really are the rightful heirs to the throne.

Is this the theory that he’s Illyrio’s son? Because I’m already well aware of that theory and I believe it.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

the Blackfyres (and by extension Young Griff) really are the rightful heirs to the throne.

Stannis is obviously the rightful heir to the throne currently

 

[LordTracer]

Stannis is obviously the rightful heir to the throne currently

Um, acktually, Robert is a usurper and his claim/Targaryen blood came from a descendent of Daeron II, who‘s a bastard, so Blackfyres still sweep

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I like to think that Daeron II actually was falseborn, so ironically, the Blackfyres (and by extension Young Griff) really are the rightful heirs to the throne.

The Aegon IV-Naerys-Aemon trio reminds me a lot of that of Robert-Cersei-Jaime.
But I don't know what to think when it comes to the rumors about Daeron's bastardy. Maybe I like to think that Daeron was indeed Aegon's son

 

[BLS]

I like the unhinged theories about stuff like Jon actually really being Ned's son

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Um, acktually, Robert is a usurper and his claim/Targaryen blood came from a descendent of Daeron II, who‘s a bastard, so Blackfyres still sweep

Robert's claim was his warhammer

 

[LordTracer]

I like the unhinged theories about stuff like Jon actually really being Ned's son

My favorite version of this is Ned + Catelyn = Jon, and Catelyn just forgot that Jon is her son

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I like the unhinged theories about stuff like Jon actually really being Ned's son

Ned's... and Lyanna's

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

My favorite version of this is Ned + Catelyn = Jon, and Catelyn just forgot that Jon is her son

This is the first time I've heard this

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Art the Clown vs Damon Julian
It doesn't concern ASOIAF/GOT characters but one of his characters is a GRRM character, so...

And read Fevre Dream, it's ******* good

 

[LordTracer]

Jaehaerys’ master-at-arms claimed that, had Maegor Targaryen still lived, 15 years-old Jaehaerys would be skilled enough to best him in combat

I saw a post on r/ASOIAF that made me think about this. For the purposes of the site, there’s nothing wrong with it, there’s no contradictions as far as I’m aware.

But looking at it as just a reader… I feel like this is horseshit and the usual Jaehaerys wank lol. Like, I’m pretty sure if that fight actually happened somehow, Maegor would demolish Jaehaerys.

 

[Reyne]

I saw a post on r/ASOIAF that made me think about this. For the purposes of the site, there’s nothing wrong with it, there’s no contradictions as far as I’m aware.

But looking at it as just a reader… I feel like this is horseshit and the usual Jaehaerys wank lol. Like, I’m pretty sure if that fight actually happened somehow, Maegor would demolish Jaehaerys.

 

[LordTracer]

I’m not saying Jae wasn’t a good warrior or anything even though Borys Baratheon in that image has no combat accolades so-, I just think Maegor snaps him like a twig lol

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

But looking at it as just a reader… I feel like this is horseshit and the usual Jaehaerys wank lol. Like, I’m pretty sure if that fight actually happened somehow, Maegor would demolish Jaehaerys.

Jaehaerys at 15 maybe, but not Jaehaerys at his prime.
I don't see why Ser Elyas Scales (Jaehaerys master-at-arms at Dragonstone during the Regency) would lie to Jaeherys about his skill or potential skill, especially when he said in the same sentence that Jaehaerys will never have the skill of his own kingsguard, with whom Jaeherys trained intensely.

His weapons master was honest with him, and his Kingsguard, who were legitimately the best fighters of the time, did not hesitate to hurt Jaeherys during training sessions. Jaehaerys definitely didn't want to become as weak as his father, Aenys I, in battle (who was still described as an "adequate fighter" btw), so he trained a lot seriously.

Whether it's as a reader or as a powerscaler, I see no problem that Jaeherys was better than Maegor was.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Books Grey Worm: Minor Downgrade

Grey Worm should move from Street level to Athletic Human because of that: "Why do you cut them?" she asked Kraznys through the slave girl. "Whole men are stronger than eunuchs, I have always heard." "A eunuch who is cut young will never have the brute strength of one of your Westerosi knights...

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[LordTracer]

Jaehaerys at 15 yes maybe, but not Jaehaerys at his prime.

Meh, I still think Maegor would clap him up. Like, Maegor at 12-13 was bodying trained men-at-arms and knights, and at 16 he actually beat three knights of the Kingsguard during a tourney.

I don't see why Ser Elyas Scales (Jaehaerys master-at-arms at Dragonstone during the Regency) would lie to Jaeherys about his skill or potential skill, especially when he said in the same sentence that he will never have the skill of his own kingsguard, with whom Jaeherys trained intensely

I could see Jae being more skilled than Maegor maybe (although even that I find questionable), but actually beating Maegor in a fight? Nah

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Meh, I still think Maegor would clap him up. Like, Maegor at 12-13 was bodying trained men-at-arms and knights, and at 16 he actually beat three knights of the Kingsguard during a tourney.

Well, Jaeherys trained with his own Kingsguard, who were legitimately the best fighters of the time, and they didn't hesitate to hurt Jaeherys during training sessions. Jaehaerys definitely didn't want to become as weak as his father, Aenys I, in battle (who was still described as an "adequate fighter" btw), so he trained a lot.

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

I could see Jae being more skilled than Maegor maybe (although even that I find questionable), but actually beating Maegor in a fight? Nah

For my part, I have no problem seeing Jaehaerys beat Maegor in single combat because I completely trust the words of his master-at-arms

 

[LordTracer]

Well, Jaeherys trained with his own Kingsguard, who were legitimately the best fighters of the time, and they didn't hesitate to hurt Jaeherys during training sessions. Jaehaerys definitely didn't want to become as weak as his father, Aenys I, in battle (who was still described as an "adequate fighter" btw), so he trained a lot.

Like I said, I don’t think Jaehaerys is a bad fighter or anything, I just don’t think he’s taking Maegor, let alone beating him.

 

[Reyne]

Meh, I still think Maegor would clap him up. Like, Maegor at 12-13 was bodying trained men-at-arms and knights, and at 16 he actually beat three knights of the Kingsguard during a tourney.

Maegor bested the three kingsguard members in the joust, not in the melee.

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

I would recommend them. Phoenix Ashes is a small-time channel with regular weekly video essays. Their takes on the series are some of the most interesting I've watched and a fresh departure from the usual rhetoric in the fandom.

If we can use this wiki to help jumpstart their superstardom, we could gain a quite useful advertising helper.
@LordTracer @Ser_Hakim_Dayne @RoTt35 @Reyne For a start, their take on Lyanna's characterization:

 

[LordTracer]

To be completely honest, I don’t care all that much about Lyanna outside of her being the Knight of the Laughing Tree so I’ll pass. Also,

we could gain a quite useful advertising helper.

???

 

[IdiosyncraticLawyer]

To be completely honest, I don’t care all that much about Lyanna outside of her being the Knight of the Laughing Tree so I’ll pass. Also,

That's a shame, but how about this, which critiques fandom-wide perceptives on Dany?

???

I want to promote their channel here and help them get more subscribers, then reach out to them and ask them to shout our site out in their videos to get us advertising revenue.

 

[LordTracer]

 

[Reyne]

Is Baela at Rook's Rest?

 

[LordTracer]

Is Baela at Rook's Rest?

Yeah, it looks like it.

Spoiler: Spoilers

I’ve seen some people theorize that she’ll arrive as Rhaenys is killed and be forced to flee, then she’ll redeem herself when she takes on Aegon

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Robert Baratheon (Books) Durability Upgrade

The boar that killed Bobby B will paradoxically give him a durability upgrade. Let me explain. Robert was hunting a boar which had a monstrous size: "Is there word of the king?" Ned demanded. "Just how long does Robert intend to hunt?" "Given his preferences, I believe he'd stay in the forest...

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[RoTt35]

Hi again, I'm back after a month of inactivity for various reasons, I recently saw the teaser for the second season of HotD and I'm very excited as I really liked the first one. Btw, I was going to make a small CRT but first I would need some input with these questions:

I always wondered if Drogon's fire breath could scale from this calc, considering that he burned down a lot of the houses in King's Landing

Would it be fine to assume that a large dragon like Vhagar is at least comparable to smaller dragons like Rhaegal or Viserion regarding AP?

Thanks in advance

 

[Ser_Hakim_Dayne]

Concept of Ice and Fire

Explanation of the Last Kiss of the Red Priests: "I have no magic, child. Only prayers. That first time, his lordship had a hole right through him and blood in his mouth, I knew there was no hope. So when his poor torn chest stopped moving, I gave him the good god's own kiss to send him on his...

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