Lightning is the Only Way General Discussion

[Rikimarox2]

A general thread about anything related to the novel Lightning is the Only Way. Discuss the novel, its feats, what you liked about or disliked, whatever you want, as long as it's related to the novel, you can talk about it here.

 

[Rikimarox2]

The verse is dense with information, so I'll use this and a blog as a way to post the interesting stuff I've read and so people can evaluate them:

Energy is fundamental (Likely more than even concept shenanigans):

Spoiler

There was no Energy in the surroundings.
There was no air.
There was no earth.
There was nothing.
Everything was black.
...

'I have never felt this force before! It's different than everything I have ever seen!' Gravis thought with shock.
'All the Laws I know have one thing in common.'
'They all work with Energy or by using things created with Energy, like my Will-Aura.'
'Yet…'
'There is no Energy in this force!'
'The very fundamentals are different!'
This was the greatest difference between this force and all the others.
The highest Heaven's Cosmos was built with Energy.
Everything was built with Energy.
Matter was built with Energy.
Souls were built with Energy.
Gravity was built with Energy.
Time was built with Energy.
Space was built with Energy.
Even the very Laws themselves were built with Energy.
Even Gravis' Void Lightning was just a different form of Energy.
Yet, this force had nothing to do with Energy.

As soon as one reaches Unity Realm, their body, spirit, and Magic (Energy) gets quadrupled in power:

"As soon as you reach the Unity Realm, your body, Spirit, and Magic all get quadrupled." ~Chapter 331

Having more Magic (Energy) than the user allows one to simply devour the other's spirit (Assuming they use the soul/wood attacks):

"Yet, I, by gathering my power, have a Spirit that is six times stronger than you right now. My Spirit has six times the amount of Magic than yours in here. My Spirit and will can overpower your weak Spirit. Magic clashes against Magic, and with more Magic, I can simply devour your Spirit. You just don’t have enough Magic to overpower me." ~Chapter 331

Will-Aura suppresses the Spirit, Being, and Mind (Those weaker in Will-Aura will be unconscious due to the suppression):

The Will-Aura slowed the enemy by suppressing their Spirit, being, and mind. ~Chapter 833

Things without the Laws cannot exist, as stated by Gravis when Stella was making a planet:

"The planet is still cut off from space and time," Gravis said. "As soon as something external comes into contact with its domain, it will stop. All of this is not real, which means that space and time don't exist. You have to make it exist." "Infuse the same Higher World Core with the entire Law of Primordial Force," Gravis said.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

The verse is dense with information, so I'll use this and a blog as a way to post the interesting stuff I've read and so people can evaluate them:

Energy is fundamental (Likely more than even concept shenanigans):

As soon as one reaches Unity Realm, their body, spirit, and Magic (Energy) gets quadrupled in power:


Having more Magic (Energy) than the user allows one to simply devour the other's spirit (Assuming they use the soul/wood attacks):


Will-Aura suppresses the Spirit, Being, and Mind (Those weaker in Will-Aura will be unconscious due to the suppression):

Things without the Laws cannot exist, as stated by Gravis when Stella was making a planet:

Sword God also gives a lot of good info regarding the law/concept stuff

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

But to put things simply. Energy is basically the stuff concepts are made of encompassing all concepts

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

The verse is dense with information, so I'll use this and a blog as a way to post the interesting stuff I've read and so people can evaluate them:

Energy is fundamental (Likely more than even concept shenanigans):

As soon as one reaches Unity Realm, their body, spirit, and Magic (Energy) gets quadrupled in power:


Having more Magic (Energy) than the user allows one to simply devour the other's spirit (Assuming they use the soul/wood attacks):


Will-Aura suppresses the Spirit, Being, and Mind (Those weaker in Will-Aura will be unconscious due to the suppression):

Things without the Laws cannot exist, as stated by Gravis when Stella was making a planet:

the soul is also conceptual btw (not a spoiler as its relatively minor information in scheme of things but youll learn about that later on)

 

[Rikimarox2]

Everything is conceptual wth

And here I thought I was gonna be finished with LITOW scaling, but now I gotta finish Sword God or at least get the relevant scans for some things before finishing some pages (The whole law = concept, soul being conceptual, energy encompassing all concepts, etc...).

 

[Rikimarox2]

Made a draft for Karmic Sin Monster. Obviously is still missing quite a few things, grammar issues, and quite a bit of justifications and ratings might change (Depending on if the multiplier shenanigans get accepted), and I still need to add more scans and references and calculations. However, I think as a draft, the abilities should be done.

Not really sure on speed (Since in the Higher World, they can just start teleporting instead of flying) or the higher AP ratings (Multi-Galaxy), but I think High Star level is guaranteed at the very least.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Made a draft for Karmic Sin Monster. Obviously is still missing quite a few things, grammar issues, and quite a bit of justifications and ratings might change (Depending on if the multiplier shenanigans get accepted), and I still need to add more scans and references and calculations. However, I think as a draft, the abilities should be done.

Not really sure on speed (Since in the Higher World, they can just start teleporting instead of flying) or the higher AP ratings (Multi-Galaxy), but I think High Star level is guaranteed at the very least.

10th realm is gonna get some decent scaling btw if you continue on with sword god

 

[Rikimarox2]

10th realm is gonna get some decent scaling btw if you continue on with sword god

Only have like 90 chapters left for LITOW, then I'll probably gather some important feats from the verse like the sizes of the worlds, the laws, the multipliers, the whole resistance decrease shenanigans, and try to find the possibility of type 1 concepts in the verse, since as it stands, it seems more like type 2 than 1. Though, there were instances of Souls/Spirits existing without a body, so maybe there's a chance.

Then, I'll focus entirely on Sword God.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Spoiler

Of course, the infantile perception of Death would kill Gravis' Will if it heard of it.

However, it didn't exist anymore.

Gravis took its place.

Yes, in essence, Gravis had scammed a child.

God, I ******* love Gravis.

Anyways, I finished the novel at last. Amazing novel and I loved a lot of it. A small portion near the end was getting a bit tedious/boring, but man did it pick up real quick. Probably 8.5-9/10 for me, really enjoyed, more so than probably 95% of the cultivation novels I've read. Granted, most cultivation novels I've read aren't exactly known for their quality, but eh.

Also,

Spoiler: Tiering shenanigans

"In the Primordial Chaos, time and space didn't matter. After all, time and space were creations of Orthar.

In the Primordial Chaos, everything was everywhere all the time."

Not sure about tiering shenanigans since I'm not really that big of an expert with the new standards, but doesn't this have the chance to be Low 1-A, since it directly states that Time and Space (Concepts also, obviously) are literally something Orthar just made on a whim? I'm not sure if the concepts in the verse are type 1 or not yet, but I imagine Sword God will provide some clues to it. If it is type 1, then I think Low 1-A is maybe likely, with Energy being a Low 1-A/1-A source.

Additionally, I wonder if sword god will provide more shenanigans on Death/Nonexistent, but as ot stands, it's probably just type 1 NEP.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Spoiler

Of course, the infantile perception of Death would kill Gravis' Will if it heard of it.

However, it didn't exist anymore.

Gravis took its place.

Yes, in essence, Gravis had scammed a child.

God, I ******* love Gravis.

Anyways, I finished the novel at last. Amazing novel and I loved a lot of it. A small portion near the end was getting a bit tedious/boring, but man did it pick up real quick. Probably 8.5-9/10 for me, really enjoyed, more so than probably 95% of the cultivation novels I've read. Granted, most cultivation novels I've read aren't exactly known for their quality, but eh.

Also,

Spoiler: Tiering shenanigans

"In the Primordial Chaos, time and space didn't matter. After all, time and space were creations of Orthar.

In the Primordial Chaos, everything was everywhere all the time."

Not sure about tiering shenanigans since I'm not really that big of an expert with the new standards, but doesn't this have the chance to be Low 1-A, since it directly states that Time and Space (Concepts also, obviously) are literally something Orthar just made on a whim? I'm not sure if the concepts in the verse are type 1 or not yet, but I imagine Sword God will provide some clues to it. If it is type 1, then I think Low 1-A is maybe likely, with Energy being a Low 1-A/1-A source.

I think the verse is low 1-A tbh. Blocked from 1-A due to the whole primordial chaos filtering mechanics.

 

[Rikimarox2]

The primordial stuff? You mean how Orthar can filter the energy from the Primordial Chaos or...?

Regardless, I'm fine with Low 1-A. I wanted to ask something about SGIAWOM since I'm starting from the start to gather feats, can we apply the multipliers of realms from Orthar's cosmos to Shang's world, or would that not work considering they are (probably) different cosmos? Considering Mana is basically energy, I thought that the whole level up a realm would qualify for a multiplier, but I'm not sure. I don't recall multipliers being stated in SGIAWOM, but then again I've reached chapter 252 (?) like a few months ago and only read a chapter every few days or so. Until now, that is.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

The primordial stuff? You mean how Orthar can filter the energy from the Primordial Chaos or...?

Regardless, I'm fine with Low 1-A. I wanted to ask something about SGIAWOM since I'm starting from the start to gather feats, can we apply the multipliers of realms from Orthar's cosmos to Shang's world, or would that not work considering they are (probably) different cosmos? Considering Mana is basically energy, I thought that the whole level up a realm would qualify for a multiplier, but I'm not sure. I don't recall multipliers being stated in SGIAWOM, but then again I've reached chapter 252 (?) like a few months ago and only read a chapter every few days or so. Until now, that is.

I think you should be able to cross scale realms since they're basically the same and yea I meant filtering stuff.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I think you should be able to cross scale realms since they're basically the same and yea I meant filtering stuff.

Yeah considering Mana goes inside the body and just becomes more with each level, I think cross scaling should work.

Also, for the filtering, isn't everything basically from the Primordial Chaos, including the whole Balance and filtering stuff? Like, if Primordial Chaos is 1-A, then I don't think it's an anti-feat for it if they can filter since 1. Everything is from it, a 1-A source, and 2. It's not like the Primordial Chaos is focusing all its strength on the cosmos, since it was directly stated that its just like that, it just destroys whatever comes into contact with it and that it's a silent killer. Considering how when Gravis became the will of death, he one shotted Orthar immediately, proving that the Primordial Chaos wasn't really using all of its strength.

So, tldr, filtering comes from Energy/Primordial chaos, ie 1-A force. So using it isn't really an anti-feat since the source itself is 1-A, and PC isn't the type to go all in on destroying stuff and its that its existence passively does that. Using a 1-A source, albeit not to its full power, to stop some of the passive shenanigans isn't really that much of an Anti-Feat.

That said, I'm honestly fine with anything, as long as it's tier 1. Though, if Energy is a Low 1-A/1-A force, would the direct manipulation of it be smurf or nah? Including the laws like those of time and space.

 

[Rikimarox2]

BTW, how does the time shenanigans work in LITOW/Sword God? Like, there are timestreams, but then there's the whole "Reality exists in only one point" and Percieved reality shenanigans. Like how time loops are impossible since everything not in this point of time is just perceived reality (Which would imply timestreams are also just a showcase of perceived reality). Would it grant Acausality type 2, or am I misinterpreting/missed some things?

Though considering how Gravis can fuse the concepts of time and space to make Spacetime, I'd assume making time loops and past and future are possible, but just that most Cosmos don't do it. Also, is there a chance for Acausality type 4 for anyone or nah, considering the whole each higher world has more advanced Laws and Concepts, or how Cosmos are made with different laws/concepts from each other?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

BTW, how does the time shenanigans work in LITOW/Sword God? Like, there are timestreams, but then there's the whole "Reality exists in only one point" and Percieved reality shenanigans. Like how time loops are impossible since everything not in this point of time is just perceived reality (Which would imply timestreams are also just a showcase of perceived reality). Would it grant Acausality type 2, or am I misinterpreting/missed some things?

I think time is pretty weird here so I dunno and there's the whole thing where peoples lifespan or age isnt necessarily based on a typical progression of time but just a set time limit or fate based on the real world as you can go into some space-time distortion for a million years but only come out a second older.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I think time is pretty weird here so I dunno and there's the whole thing where peoples lifespan or age isn't necessarily based on a typical progression of time but just a set time limit or fate based on the real world as you can go into some space-time distortion for a million years but only come out a second older.

Yeah time is kinda screwed in the novels. I might just put a "Possibly" type 2 acausality for characters and mention the whole perceived reality shenanigans. Also, I think type 4 acausality is possible as well, since IIRC there are a bunch of worlds with different rules, such as Natural World (IE only beasts can exist here among other stuff), and how each category of a world is different from the other. Not to mention the whole "Cosmos" shtick.

Though I think the perceived reality stuff demonstrates the powers of Gravis more, since at the end of the whole, he fused both concepts of time and space to make Spacetime, a new concept different from Orthar's world. Since Objective reality only exists in one point, and if Gravis' can make an actual space-time (With infinite points) it demonstrates how the god tiers can just create whatever level of space-time they want. Might help a bit for tier 1, though this still assumes a few things, so I need to read Sword God in order to see if there are additional stuff that I can use.

Also, I'm reading Sword God from the beginning now and compiling feats in a blog, and I'm debating whether I should classify the whole Energy/Mana stuff as just Energy, or if I should mention Info type 2 somewhere (Still not sure if we can consider Energy type 2 by itself considering what Deon said).

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Yeah time is kinda screwed in the novels. I might just put a "Possibly" type 2 acausality for characters and mention the whole perceived reality shenanigans. Also, I think type 4 acausality is possible as well, since IIRC there are a bunch of worlds with different rules, such as Natural World (IE only beasts can exist here among other stuff), and how each category of a world is different from the other. Not to mention the whole "Cosmos" shtick.

Though I think the perceived reality stuff demonstrates the powers of Gravis more, since at the end of the whole, he fused both concepts of time and space to make Spacetime, a new concept different from Orthar's world. Since Objective reality only exists in one point, and if Gravis' can make an actual space-time (With infinite points) it demonstrates how the god tiers can just create whatever level of space-time they want. Might help a bit for tier 1, though this still assumes a few things, so I need to read Sword God in order to see if there are additional stuff that I can use.

Also, I'm reading Sword God from the beginning now and compiling feats in a blog, and I'm debating whether I should classify the whole Energy/Mana stuff as just Energy, or if I should mention Info type 2 somewhere (Still not sure if we can consider Energy type 2 by itself considering what Deon said).

energy and mana are literally just the same thing anyways.

 

[Rikimarox2]

energy and mana are literally just the same thing anyways.

I know. What I meant was if I should just state "Energy Manipulation" or limited "Info type 2". Doesn't really matter tho.

Anyways, made a QnA thread for whether the verse qualifies for Low 1-A/1-A, so I can get more opinions and find more scan. Additionally, I want to see if it's possible to hax smurf hax or not (Considering those with Time and Space laws can just... make time and space shit for stuff.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I know. What I meant was if I should just state "Energy Manipulation" or limited "Info type 2". Doesn't really matter tho.

Anyways, made a QnA thread for whether the verse qualifies for Low 1-A/1-A, so I can get more opinions and find more scan. Additionally, I want to see if it's possible to hax smurf hax or not (Considering those with Time and Space laws can just... make time and space shit for stuff.

it's more of a concept thing than energy manip tbh

 

[Rikimarox2]

So let's say normal characters who can absorb energy and shoot elemental stuff with Energy. Should I just classify it as "Energy Manipulation and [Insert element] manipulation", or should I mention concept/info somewhere?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

So let's say normal characters who can absorb energy and shoot elemental stuff with Energy. Should I just classify it as "Energy Manipulation and [Insert element] manipulation", or should I mention concept/info somewhere?

this stuff got me ****** up too now

 

[Rikimarox2]

Welcome to what I've been going through the past 2 days.

Anyways, at least Darkness stuff/absorbing vitality/life energy should have Info type 2 and concept, no? Since iirc life energy is what Souls are made of, and it is fundamental, so anyone that can absorb it is absorbing type 2 info. Not sure if I can add conceptual or not.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Welcome to what I've been going through the past 2 days.

Anyways, at least Darkness stuff/absorbing vitality/life energy should have Info type 2 and concept, no? Since iirc life energy is what Souls are made of, and it is fundamental, so anyone that can absorb it is absorbing type 2 info. Not sure if I can add conceptual or not.

Btw life energy in sword god is not life mana. It's just bogstandard life force or vitality. Life mana (which souls are made of) is typically completely untouchable.

 

[Rikimarox2]

BTW what would we classify Shang's entropy ability as? At chapter 220+, he transforms everything into pure energy, regardless of what it is. Would it be existence erasure, info manip 2, or smth else?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

BTW what would we classify Shang's entropy ability as? At chapter 220+, he transforms everything into pure energy, regardless of what it is. Would it be existence erasure, info manip 2, or smth else?

Was that the AoE field. It's been over a year since I've read so I dont remember everything.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

also if you wanna see something cool translate entropy from english to chinese :}

 

[Rikimarox2]

Was that the AoE field. It's been over a year since I've read so I dont remember everything.

It's the one attack where deteoriates his body forever and uses it to instantly kill peeps he otherwise had no chance against. You know, the one that spreads out in a cone and instantly removes everything. I think it was stated to be similar to Antimatter, in how it transforms literally everything to Natural energy.

also if you wanna see something cool translate entropy from english to chinese :}

I already know :} I'm thinking of adding it to his names section.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

It's the one attack where deteoriates his body forever and uses it to instantly kill peeps he otherwise had no chance against. You know, the one that spreads out in a cone and instantly removes everything. I think it was stated to be similar to Antimatter, in how it transforms literally everything to Natural energy.


I already know :} I'm thinking of adding it to his names section.

concept manip + law + info manip + transmutation or deconstruction and whatnot.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

concept manip + law + info manip + transmutation or deconstruction and whatnot.

also conceptual/law/info regen negation I guess if he isn't somehow able to get the kill since it's the same mechanics behind what an abomination does so it pretty much bypasses mid-godly.

 

[Rikimarox2]

Alr I'm at like chapter 702 or smth right now, and I'm confused about smth.

So, life Mana is the very concept of existence, and a soul is made up of it, and a soul is what defines you/is the blueprint. That means souls are conceptual (Type 2, possibly?). However, it is said that the mind is the closest thing to the soul since the soul-core is in the brain (ie mind is soul core, probably), and since soul core is made up of life Mana as well, would it mean that the mind is also conceptual, or nah?

But then there are soul and mind laws, and if we consider the soul and mind as conceptual, then the laws would be concepts of... conceptual things?

God, concepts are wack.

Also, abomination explosion screws everything up, which includes time, space, concepts, etc... so Ancestral Beasts and above who can resist Abomination explosions get pretty good resistances.