Frieza Saga CRT

[The_Calaca]

I don't get it why some people say "but just Super has demonstrated MFTL+ speeds so we shouldn't accept MFTL DBZ" when the difference is literally quadrillions.

In this thread is argued a somewhat 500c IIRC while DBS is 72 quadrillions FTL. That's a massive gap that we could even say it's an outlier even for the one who did it.

And Amexim is right. We don't judge multipliers that badly. We can't expect from authors to make a 3x power boost being exactly 3x stronger via feats.

The "possibly MFTL" is still viable for how hypothetic it is.

If we have FTL just by multipliers then what's the difference here?

 

[Amexim]

And if we only accept multipliers with Feats, why use Multipliers at all? The feats would just stand on their own.

 

[Stefano4444]

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[Akreious]

I don't get it why some people say "but just Super has demonstrated MFTL+ speeds so we shouldn't accept MFTL DBZ" when the difference is literally quadrillions.
In this thread is argued a somewhat 500c IIRC while DBS is 72 quadrillions FTL. That's a massive gap that we could even say it's an outlier even for the one who did it.

And Amexim is right. We don't judge multipliers that badly. We can't expect from authors to make a 3x power boost being exactly 3x stronger via feats.

The "possibly MFTL" is still viable for how hypothetic it is.

If we have FTL just by multipliers then what's the difference here?

Diddo.

Also a small note to add to the end, the Dragon Ball Super speed feat was completely and utterly casual. Like, no effort was used on Beerus' end (Who scales to 3/4 of Whis' speed), who was just casually licking himself impatiently due to Whis taking quote "A long time" to get him the Dino Food.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Yeah. We should also accept Gardevoir's two tier 4 feats as not an outlier. After all, the god Tiers are casually multiple infinities above that.

If your argument relies on Super to get this accepted then you don't know what an outlier is.

 

[DragonEmperor23]

They aren't saying that it should be accepted because the God Tiers are way faster, they're saying that saying the CRT shouldn't be accepted because there is such a gap in speed between DBZ and DBS isn't a valid argument.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

"Outlier" isn't really the right terminology. It's more like "Multiplier Stacking" is the wording to reject statistic gains via multipliers. Still, I have nothing against Massively FTL, it's just that Matt and a few others strongly reject that part. But again, I still think it might be best of we change nothing for now, but wait for the new Broly movie to come out; we might get better feats in the backstory part of that movie to scale to others.

 

[Stefano4444]

"Outlier" isn't really the right terminology. It's more like "Multiplier Stacking" is the wording to reject statistic gains via multipliers.

What about in the case of Buu Saga Base Goku = or > 100% Frieza? Would that be considered Multiplier Stacking?

 

[Amexim]

It is. Isn't a bad thing, since it's true.

Are we gonna keep Multipliers or not? Because requiring feats for multipliers is redundant, and selectively applying the boosts when the ratings aren't "too high" vs ones that are "too high" is ridiculous and arbitrary, especially when both ratings have the same flaws. They only reject that part because it's "too high", arbitrarily, rather than because there's nothing behind it. Other arguments being made are ridiculous and come from people forcing their implications to work in this scenario.

 

[Amexim]

Like, why use valid and accepted multipliers if you need feats for them? Why not just use feats only? No statements without feats either, right? Because we don't accept anything that doesn't have direct, demonstrated support— to the point where we don't need the evidence to be support but instead just the feat works.