Frank West vs Sole Survivor

[Jackythejack]

Oooh I see.

 

[Abstractions]

Saying frank isn't a good shot feels like some downplay

Give me a proper instance outside of gameplay where he is renowned for his skill.

Even then you could arguably say he gets better as game 1 progresses. I mean he has to improve somehow, and certainly becomes more accustomed to killing as it goes on. It's called character development

Said character development involved a lot of shenanigans with duct tape for combining common household items or mall trinkets, and PTSD about Willamette.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

I mean, Frank did have some background info involves being a photojournalist being in a warzone but that's all i could find.

 

[Abstractions]

I mean, Frank did have some background info involves being a photojournalist being in a warzone but that's all i could find.

He's covered wars, y'know.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Even if we use BoS version, Sole Survivor still have better experience because covered wars isn't the same as fought them.

 

[Jamesthetaker]

Wait, this remind me something: If Frank doesn't have anything to stop V.A.T.S then how did his matches with Lone Wanderer is fair?

 

[Jackythejack]

Wait, this remind me something: If Frank doesn't have anything to stop V.A.T.S then how did his matches with Lone Wanderer is fair?

It's really not.

Also Abstractions I'm pretty sure fighting groups of military forces constantly is a good show of skill of being at least a good shot.

 

[Buttersamuri]

And snipers, and psychopaths, and gun mem

 

[Jackythejack]

Also instance outside of gameplay is a bit...unfair? Dead rising is very much about gameplay first? It's still part of what frank does. It's a video game.

 

[Buttersamuri]

By that logic. Sole survivor is only as good as a standard soldier. Which I will fight anyone on how much downplay that would be

 

[Necromercer]

^

 

[Jackythejack]

''Yo I kinda wanna make a composite frank west rn and I dunno why''

 

[The_Impress]

"Give me a non-comicbook panel example of Punisher (Marvel Comics)'s skill"

That's the level of question you're askin', mate. Even within the context of his feats a case could be made he has to be a good shot, it's not a hard idea to grasp lol.

And yeah, by that logic Sole Survivor is literally a soldier.

And no, we don't equalize SoL projectiles lol, or projectiles in general, Normal Human bullets aren't happening.

That being said, apparently this is a stomp? At least that's what I'm told, so if someone would elaborate how so, I'll close the thread, or if it isn't, i'll **** off

 

[Jackythejack]

Well maybe not an absolute stomp but it feels sorta stompy because frank doesn't really have an answer to VATS, but by that logic his match against the Lone Wanderer should be removed

 

[The_Impress]

It's just a minor Self-Perception Manipulation, nothing stomp levels, Frank can respond to that too by being a quicker shot, can't he?

 

[Jackythejack]

No not really. V.A.T.S let's you home in on an opponent right away with time being slowed down to a crawl for you. Most enemies in game get blitzed by VATS iirc

 

[Jackythejack]

I will say that putting frank west against three guys with the same ability (John Marston, Lone Wanderer and now Sole Survivor) and expecting shit to change and for him to not lose is not only the definition of insanity but also kinda spite since he already lost to Arthur Morgan for Deadeye

 

[The_Impress]

Yes, that's perception manip, it's fair from my knowledge

 

[Buttersamuri]

Spite would be putting him against the courier.

I was trying to make this fair as the fallout vs dead rising sounded interesting but lost any debate to it do to wanderers VATs. But Sole survivor has the canonical slowest, and I tried to set it up the make it possible for Frank not to get lol VATS

 

[Jackythejack]

Okay but putting him against John Marston was d u m b

 

[Buttersamuri]

I literally did that without the knowledge of what dead eye was or him have been fighting arthur. I've told you this like twice

 

[Jackythejack]

''Okay but the lone wanderer has deadeye but better''

 

[Buttersamuri]

And yet it was still a fight you said you were interested in and I explained again. Didn't think of VATS.

 

[Jackythejack]

Yes because I thought there would be more debate but not thinking of it doesn't mean it's not literally the same as the John Marston thread-

 

[Buttersamuri]

So did I. Which is why I had made the fight.

 

[Jackythejack]

Yeah but you basically made theee versions of the same thread butters which is my real point here

 

[Buttersamuri]

And have explained why 2 of those didn't have the intent of that due to lack of knowledge, and you even yourself liked the fight cause it was a good idea aside from that one aspect. And this one literally trying to help as much as I can to make it fair cause it's still a good fight

 

[Jackythejack]

The one I liked had the one aspect that makes it really unfair and also you didn't try fixing that-

 

[Buttersamuri]

There was no fixing that one. This one has a much bigger chance due to him being able to move during VATS aims, and is still able to move while he fires. On top of what else I did to help frank

 

[Jackythejack]

Honestly may try t get the lone wanderer match removed because it's just unfair

 

[Buttersamuri]

Rip literally everyone who has perception manipulation and has been in a fight where the other guy doesn't have it the

 

[Jackythejack]

Indeed, because wtf is the other guy going to do besides get shot-

 

[Buttersamuri]

''What could Homer do against Batman''

 

[The_Impress]

Homer could do literally anything because it was Post-Flashpoint who's like, not half as skilled as Post-Crisis makes him out to be, in addition to Mid regen and what seem to be oneshot Pressure Points.

 

[Jackythejack]

Batman doesn't have perception manipulation which automatically leads into getting oneshot tmk.

 

[Buttersamuri]

Yea. Gonna have to hard disagree one that. And even if he is "not as skilled" as made to be. He still is >>>>>>> to homer.

 

[Jackythejack]

HEY

If you didn't know

this isn't Homer vs Batman-

 

[Buttersamuri]

This isn't Frank vs arthur or frank vs wanderer either.

 

[The_Impress]

Oh wow, beating up feckin thugs is "skilled". Not to mention iirc Homer was "basically High 8-C" according to your logic, Batsy had all his equipment restricted, and Homer had a **** ton higher regen AND Pressure Points.

Mate what are you playing at? It's not my fault you can't see extremely obvious wincons when they're in plain sight.

 

[Jackythejack]

This isn't Frank vs arthur or frank vs wanderer either.

It may as well be with how these abilities are working