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Four Knights of the Apocalypse/Nanatsu no Taizai Main Discussion Thread
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We know for a fact that Meli held back massively against Gil
+ Gil never fought without weaponry iirc
I don’t see why it wouldn’t be pretty logical
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And not everyone has Destroyer type which is rare(iirc)
There's different categories and the amps are usually 2-3×
And what you're saying is under the presumption that they have infact ever shown to use magic enchanted weapons. This is why I was trying to push that we apply it when it's visibly shown
There's different categories and the amps are usually 2-3×
And what you're saying is under the presumption that they have infact ever shown to use magic enchanted weapons. This is why I was trying to push that we apply it when it's visibly shown
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Again, weaker people can make him bleed.
But if you want an example, here. Holding back doesn't mean suppressing durability (which isn't really possible).
Not only that, but he's consistently took hits from Meliodas and Hendrickson. Are Meliodas and Hendrickson 10x weaker than Gilthunder's durability?
But if you want an example, here. Holding back doesn't mean suppressing durability (which isn't really possible).
Not only that, but he's consistently took hits from Meliodas and Hendrickson. Are Meliodas and Hendrickson 10x weaker than Gilthunder's durability?
Really? Because he said the opposite.
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Can't even see the images it's really annoying(it's not your fault)
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Can the 10x amp be used in 4koa? Would that change scaling a lot?
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Pretty sure He is stated to be able to lower his durability
The enchantment isn’t amping Durability
Which is contradicted by Meli being able to fight for an extended period of time against people dwarfing Gil’s stats
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Would this apply to the sins in 4koa too? So we could get large country level characters in 4koa that’s wild.
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Oh so there is no need to argue since we should have a whole new scaling chain implementing these in 4kota
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1 example?
I didn't say it was. AP and striking strength consistently scale at least somewhat, especially for Meliodas and Hendrickson, who've matched and attacked Gilthunder.
Which isn't, because Gilthunder has a Sacred Treasure-like weapon.
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So going back to the initial point Meli is large country lvl with enchantment if He use it in 4kota
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He really doesn't need to claim its 10× stronger for us to conclude its 10× stronger tho?
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Chapter 99 it is explained that He render himself defenseless in front of attacks to charge more energy for things li
Then i don’t see a problem Meli attacking him without the intention to kill and to follow his plan With Gil doesn’t invalidate Gil’s 2 to 3x multiplier He Would harm them more with a weapon And they Would harm him more with enchantments that’s all
So is sacred treasure Gil on par with Hendrikson ? Or was Meli the one who could handle him
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Ok So no need to argue
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Exactly
Anyway it would still be wild since they will have large country level to continental ap. Can we use Meliodas statement of the 4koa being comparable to the sins to upgrade them? It’s also makes sense sins Lancelot was rendered to the same strength of the mid series sins
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That's not dropping his durability. That's lowering his guard (i.e not blocking) and dispelling any magic, like Full Counter. Even then, he was getting pelted by all the Sins and Hendrickson, yet he survived.
Also, he wasn't using Revenge Counter against Gilthunder. In fact, he did the exact opposite at one point and concentrated all his magic and senses.
But he explicitly said he did after the fight and after all the deception was lifted, so a problem is already arising.
It's not 2 to 3x, it's 10x.
They don't need to use the same enchantments. Their fists also work.
All of them were on par with each other according to Gowther.
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It was a 3v1 before Meliodas went down so Meliodas was stronger than Gilthunder.
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Meliodas did not use demon mark or wraith on Gilthunder so he was holding back. Meliodas did way better against weaken grey demon Hendrickson than Gilthunder did. Also weaken grey demon Hendrickson blitz Gilthunder so does that affect the scaling chain?
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Gowther explicitly says they're all equal while fighting, and Meliodas only needs to be faster/more skilled (that's literally in your thread, IIRC) to evade them.
Also, here's another instance of Gil casually harming Mel.
You could say that about most of the opponents in this phase of the series. Fact is, he can go full power without using Demon Mark.
Also, here's another instance of Gil casually harming Mel.
He did, actually. Just not during the entire fight.
You could say that about most of the opponents in this phase of the series. Fact is, he can go full power without using Demon Mark.
Gilthunder never really fought Hendrickson (he just got hit once), and Meliodas barely did any damage without Demon Mark. In fact, in this fight alone Gilthunder fries Meliodas.
Not much, because even Mel needed Demon Mark to intercept it.
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He render himself defenseless can be interpretated otherwise
All that is said is that He consciously allow the attacks to do as much damage as possible
He anyway wasn’t there to kill handled them 3v1 And was able to fight an opp far stronger than Gil
iirc 10x is the max
They’ll do far more damage with a weapon
I’m talking about demon hendrikson
BTW Meli did use DM only once to stop an attack And He did so with his bare hands while being casual him being serious is invalidated there
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Yea but he wasn’t actually at full power he didn’t use his wraith form. Yes but weakens grey demon Hendrickson still stomped Gilthunder. And yes Meliodas still blitzed weaken Hendrickson
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We should just stop arguing We won’t find a middleground let’s focus on something else
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And I'm disagreeing with that interpretation. But, even if it's correct, as I explained Meliodas still tanked a ton of attacks from all the Sins, Holy Knights and Grey Hendrickson. It is not substantial.
Which is exactly what lowering your guard to get hit does, lmao.
These are arguments I've literally just addressed.
And Gilthunder's lightning magic is the maximum.
Which is irrelevant to the point.
Then no. But, Meliodas couldn't handle him either. Even Diane with Gideon and King couldn't actually harm him.
It isn't. He hardly ever used Demon Mark during the series at that point.
I literally just addressed all these points.
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Well Meliodas is still stronger than Gilthunder. Simple
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More than 10x stronger, of course.
Anyway, Makai's already conceded. So I'm going to bed.
Anyway, Makai's already conceded. So I'm going to bed.
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I thought you said we can’t use 10x for nnt and only 4koa
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Why my arguments? Helbram had the strength of 20 holy knights and still couldn’t beat wraith Meliodas without an amp from Hendrickson which makes no sense since Hendrickson has trouble with fatigued base Meliodas with 2 other people helping him.
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I don’t think so
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Meliodas and Elizabeth did fight in the past remember bloody ellie. She damaged him so badly that he told his father never let your guard down against her. Read the DK Zeldris arc.
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he wasn't even bleeding also wasn't he getting jumped
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He was, you can see a droplet. Same with this scan.
Also, both Ruin and Guila have made him bleed, despite being weaker than Gil.
Why would getting jumped matter? Does your durability lower 10-fold when you’re taken by surprise? Is it easier to bleed when jumped? Are they in Dragon Ball?
Also, both Ruin and Guila have made him bleed, despite being weaker than Gil.
Why would getting jumped matter? Does your durability lower 10-fold when you’re taken by surprise? Is it easier to bleed when jumped? Are they in Dragon Ball?
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