Fire Force - Shinra's Rapid

[Damage3245]

When Shinra Kusakabe uses his Rapid, he gains a burst of speed that he uses to enhance his kicks.

However it is only with Divine Protection / Adolla Burst that Shinra can attack at FTL speeds.

His normal combat speed with the Rapid is not Speed of Light. He has used it plenty of times without travelling at lightspeed. His profile should be updated to reflect this.

As proof, here is Burns saying that Shinra can only attack at lightspeed when he has been blessed by Grace.

EDIT: So far the only calc that would be affected by this is this one, but Shinra profile will need changing.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I know the second he surpasses Speed of Light he is for sure using Divine Protection, as for Rapid, I was sure he was stated to be going at the Speed of Light when using it

I'm unsure of this, I'll wait to hear other arguments if their are any

 

[Damage3245]

@Mitch; I believe that statement was a mistranslation of the page I posted in the OP.

If you know of any other statements, please let me know.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I think you're right, I couldn't find any statemnet about Shinra moving at the speed of light unless he was using Divine Protection, so I guess Rapid is just unquantifiably higher than Relativistic

 

[AstralKing7]

I'm fine with it I always wondered where he got speed of light with rapid from

 

[Damage3245]

While we're on the topic of Shinra's speed; he is rated to be At least Relativistic for dodging lasers that can travel at a calced speed of 25.6% lightspeed.

However the only beam that was actually calced to be that fast was the redirected super-amped beam that was going to destroy all of Tokyo.

How do we know the much smaller / weaker beams are anywhere near that fast?

 

[AstralKing7]

They are literally the same beams form the same power source. Them being weaker has nothing to do with their speed at all if that's what your suggesting because they are literally the same attacks

 

[Damage3245]

They are literally the same beams form the same power source. Them being weaker has nothing to do with their speed at all if that's what your suggesting because they are literally the same attacks

I don't see anything in the chapters that indicate that they're just as fast. The fact that the giant heat ray is massively more powerful doesn't rule out that it could also be significantly faster.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Charon reacted to the giant Ray Beam anyway, and Shinra scales to that, plus their both beams from the same source, they're likely the same speed

 

[Damage3245]

Perhaps. It may be something to revisit at a later date. I don't think "coming from the same ability" is a proof of the same speed, and the feat for the ray beam is weird anyway seeing as Charon stops it from moving, and then redirects it up to the Moon.

The main point is to clarify that Shinra's Rapid isn't lightspeed.

So his speed rating should be:

Speed: Relativistic (Dodged lasers that go this fast), higher with Rapid (Faster than normal), FTL with Adolla Burst (Can stop time with sheer speed. Can go faster than light and time travel.)

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I made the revisions to Shinra's Profile

 

[Damage3245]

Cool.

By the way, is Shinra's AP rating up for discussion?

Because I don't think it makes any sense for Shinra to be Multi-Continent level in AP, or for Charon to have Multi-Continent level durability.

Charon used an Attack Reflection ability to redirect the ray beam; he didn't just tank it.

Plus Shinra's ordinary attacks have hurt him when Charon wasn't using his abilities.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

We were talking about that here: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3283021?useskin=oasis

I had the same idea as you

 

[Damage3245]

Yeah, seems like we agree.

Charon distinctly used an ability to reflect the ray beam. It should not count towards his durability, and therefore Shinra's attack is not Multi-Continent level.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Mention something on that CRT, because there are still those who disagree, and I still think the High 6-A should scale to Shinra's Divine Protection

 

[Damage3245]

I assume by 'Divine Protection' you mean Adolla Burst?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Yeah that, I'm pretty sure Divine Protection is the name of Shinra's Adolla Burst like how Sho's is Severed Universe, just in general I think Adolla Bursts should scale to each other

 

[Allmighty991]

here is Burns saying that Shinra can only attack at lightspeed when he has been blessed by Grace.

I knew the thread was finished, I just wanted to ask. Where in the ch is this statement on? Because the link has been broken