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Fire Force High 6-A Downgrade

There's one thing we need to talk about... and I really don't want to because it might downgrade some characters, but after reading the manga and wiki page

"However, Charon is unable to release and absorb energy at the same time. Leaving him vulnerable to counter-attack when he unleashes this thermal energy."

I don't know if we can scale Shinra to High 6-A at all, because charon Tanked the High 6-A through absorbtion likely, and then Shinra managed to land an attack when Charon couldn't use Absorption
 
Well I want to say something about KE and the speed.

We all know Shinra can increase the power of his kicks increasing the speed too, using Rapid. This was stated by that scientist I forgot the name, he literally stated KE. But we all know Rapid is a lightspeed attack, and we can't calc KE for FTL stuffs (If I was going to calc the KE, I will use the 20x FTL feat as the basis, not SoL).

I made a thread asking the following "If the characters uses KE (explicity statement) and go SoL or FTL, can we calc his KE?" not with this words of course. Two administrators said "If the verse know they are going at FTL speeds, then it can be used" and we all know the Shinra goes to FTL+ speeds due the statement of the scientist (And Shinra already said he go at FTL speeds). So I think we can use FTL speeds to calc his feats


https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3279170
 
What are your thoughts about the High 6-A not scaling to Shinra possibly

I don't want it to be true, but at the moment I don't think we can scale him for now, maybe later in the series if he gets a new powerup, regardless KE feats via speed might give some good results
 
I think we can add a possibly for Shinra, Charon said no for that High 6-A attack, his body wasnt even damaged, but Shinra wreck him with Corna. Also, remember the statement of using all Adora to recreate the great destruction again? This support that High 6-A rating
 
Well, the reason Shinra was able to damage Charon is because Charon couldn't negate the damage via absorption when Shinra took him down with Corna, Charon did have Absorption and reflected the High 6-A attack

So It's iffy
 
We can probably scale Shinra when using Divine Protection to High 6-A, since that and the Moon Attack are both Adolla Burst Abilities while Corna is not
 
...he clearly didn't absorb it. He even stated he reflected it. When he absorbs something it disappears. His absorption ability also doesn't work with reflection. When he absorbs something he has to let it out by walking or through his hands causing an explosion. He never absorbed the blast which is clear. He literally picked the blast up and turned it to the sky.
 
Ok, well, Shinra still only damaged Charon Because he attacked when Charon couldn't defend, while the moon attack he could defend against, regardless, I'm not ok with, but with Divine Protection, that's fine
 
I'm not okay with any of this downgrade. Your literally ignoring the fact that this is Charons physical strength without absorption. Charon didn't even defend against Nutakus attack. He completely overpowered it. Absorption ability in the first place never boosted his durability either so Shinra hurting him has nothing to do with him not absorbing it. Saying he couldn't defend despite those panels up there showing us his durability has nothing to do with him absorbing Shinra attack which he could.


This is purely just physical. Nothing more nothing lest. Shinra only hurt him with Corna like the profile says. That's Charons physical ability scaling to Shinra. His absorption ability is clearly irrelevant to the rating we got him at based on the scenes where the feat takes place
 
Charon calls it his reflect power, so he didn't use bare physical strength he redirected the power causes he's a 2nd Generation, he didn't use the reflect power against Shinra, therefore only Corna gets downgraded while Divine Protection does not
 
Dude chill. He literally use bare physical powers when he picked the blast up over his head. If he was just reflecting it back forward then it wouldn't scale to his physicals but no he went out of his way to pick the attack up over his body.

And stillthe reflecting power sounds like a hyperbole and flowery Language tbh because he has never once used that power again or before agaisnt anyone. Nor does his abilities even describe reflection. He only has absorption and release.


He literally said what his ability was.

Also...2nd generations can't all control flames like maki. The fact that Charon said what his ability was pretty much proves that. He didn't even control the blast he merely stopped it and picked it up so that doesn't even fall under controlling like maki does and reflection is clearly flowery hype language
 
I forgot, when?

I mean, worst comes to worst, we can make Corna Shinra possibly High 6-A and keep Divine Protection Shinra High 6-A.
 
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Right here. He never had any reflective ability. Reflection power is clearly flowery hyper language. If he could reflect attacks why didn't he reflect Corna.

Mitch is assuming that his reflecting ability works like his absorption ability. That's clearly wrong. He wouldn't have even been able to reflect the attack at the same time as he absorbed in the first place

Besides that Charon doesn't even absorb flames. He absorbs KE.
 
He never once ever absorbed a fire attack but the physical attack attack that was in the fire in other words the mass of someone's hand or foot. In other words every case where Shinra attacked him besides Corna
 
I completely agree with Astral here. The Divine Protection stuff support the rating and should be added to his profile.
 
Ok then, Corna can remain High 6-A, I just had doubts on the validity of Shinra scaling to the High 6-A
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Ok then, Corna can remain High 6-A, I just had doubts on the validity of Shinra scaling to the High 6-A
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It's fine as long u shown to make sure everything was for the sake of complete accuracy ƒæî
 
I agree with downgrading Charon's durability, and by extension Shinra's AP.

Charon did not simply tank the ray beam (I don't think its energy was even fully released because if it had been there would have been a 500-KM crater as they said); instead he reflected it in his own words up into the sky and towards the Moon.

Charon with his ability active (whether he is absorbing or reflecting incoming attacks) is not comparable to Charon's ordinary durability.

Plus it is a pretty huge jump that Shinra can go from somewhere above City Block level to Multi-Continent level at will...
 
@AstralKing7; I read through it. I disagreed with your conclusions.
 
Charon Reflect Power
He literally calls it reflect power, it's likely a new ability, he is a Second Generation who are known for manipulating fire that didin't come from them
 
All second generation users don't manipulate fire so why do u keep bringing that up bro? Your using your same argument from above why?
 
Because 2nd Generations are literally described that way

"Second Generations possess the ability to manipulate and extinguish flames. They can even manipulate the flames created by both the First and Third Generations, giving them a slight advantage in battles. Second Generations are known to be more skilled in the manipulation of flames compared to Third Generations."

Also my argument was never debunked, nobody agreed with me before, regardless I still think Shinra gets High 6-A via his Adolla Burst, because all Adolla Bursts should scale to each other
 
Isn't the entire point of the 2nd Generation that they manipulate existing flames in some way?
 
^Yeah the tier jump argument doesn't really work we have plenty of characters who jump from weak to hella strong, over the course of the series, Simon the digger goes from 3-C to High 1-C in like 2 episodes, going from 8-B (likely will be upgraded 7-B) to High 6-A isn't really a huge deal

I however once again, still believe High 6-A scales only to Adolla Bursts
 
Do we see Charon manipulating flames???? His ability as I showed is him creating explosions by absorbing KE not flames anyway
 
I don't think that all Adolla Bursts are comparable unless there is evidence supporting that.

But I do know that there isn't enough evidence supporting Shinra's Corna to be Multi-Continent level. If Charon could just tank attacks of that level, why even bother absorbing the energy from Shinra's base attacks? Shinra would be less than a fly to him.

Also, somebody claimed earlier that Charon never absorbed any fire attacks but that isn't true either.
 
Dude, he calls it a reflect power, you're completely ignoring that, he calls it an ability of his, also stop getting so heated dude, we're just debating
 
AstralKing7 said:
Do we see Charon manipulating flames???? His ability as I showed is him creating explosions by absorbing KE not flames anyway
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Yes. He has absorbed and fired back flames (if we you count those laser-like beams as flames).
 
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