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Fire Emblem Discussion thread: New Forum, New Mystery of the Emblem
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New Hel Lore, sweet
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It seems that upon Epimenides' death, Zaharas collapsed. Or at least, the physical structures within it. Would be Low 2-C if the former was true.
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Wake up, Seth 2 just dropped
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We got some new characters
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Ymir (Heroes)
For the Archanea Series character with the same name, see here. For the Heroes location of the same name, see here. Ymir is a character from Fire Emblem Heroes and the Dragon of Life. Ymir was very close to Eir when she was young, before being taken by Hel, only being able to communicate with...
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Ganglöt
Ganglöt is a character from Fire Emblem Heroes. Once the handmaid of Hel, she became the realm of the dead's ruler after her death, and seeks to avenge her master. Ganglöt was abandoned as a small child, but Hel took her into her care. To her, Hel is an object of absolute reverence. She also...
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The fastest a Mythic Hero has ever been killed...We got some new characters
Ymir (Heroes)
For the Archanea Series character with the same name, see here. For the Heroes location of the same name, see here. Ymir is a character from Fire Emblem Heroes and the Dragon of Life. Ymir was very close to Eir when she was young, before being taken by Hel, only being able to communicate with...
Ganglöt
Ganglöt is a character from Fire Emblem Heroes. Once the handmaid of Hel, she became the realm of the dead's ruler after her death, and seeks to avenge her master. Ganglöt was abandoned as a small child, but Hel took her into her care. To her, Hel is an object of absolute reverence. She also...
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It seems Low 1-C FEH is basically accepted at this point. Will still probably wait for Ultima to reply
Now Gatekeeper can one-shot the entirety of Nintendo, except for FE itself
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I was bored and found out there's a manga based on Heroes, and it's all free to view online officially, it's also featured in the game, BTW.
Besides funny interactions that could probably be used to upgrade a bit intelligence in some profiles (Rather mundane things outside combat), I found the following, it may not be canon and whatever, but just in case:
- Type 2 immortality for Kiran? An axe fell on their head and they don't mind somehow
- x8 multiplier thing, IDK if it's usable
- Flying units being weak to bows is a game mechanic, kinda, or more specifically, it seems they can remove this weakness by just... landing.
Besides funny interactions that could probably be used to upgrade a bit intelligence in some profiles (Rather mundane things outside combat), I found the following, it may not be canon and whatever, but just in case:
- Type 2 immortality for Kiran? An axe fell on their head and they don't mind somehow
- x8 multiplier thing, IDK if it's usable
- Flying units being weak to bows is a game mechanic, kinda, or more specifically, it seems they can remove this weakness by just... landing.
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The manga is non-canon. The characters act pretty out of character, and we would have to give basically all of them 4th wall breaking for literally taking about game titles.
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Any of y’all check out the new spin off game? Been playing it nonstop since release, and it’s pretty solid. One of the best “Warriors” games I’ve played.
Shez could definitely have a profile made for him, if anyone feels like tackling it. Scaling is pretty easy since Three Houses already has enough feats to scale their Three Hopes counterparts off of.
Shez could definitely have a profile made for him, if anyone feels like tackling it. Scaling is pretty easy since Three Houses already has enough feats to scale their Three Hopes counterparts off of.
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We’ve talked about it a little bit.
There aren’t really any new AP feats as far as I’m aware, but lots of new abilities.
There aren’t really any new AP feats as far as I’m aware, but lots of new abilities.
Except for possibly the “Zaharas collapsing upon Epimenides defeat” thing
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I downloaded the demo and might get the actual game. But Xenoblade Chronicles 3 looks more appealing to me.
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It's worth noting I am not caught up with the current thread, so I'll just be posting what I posted on the old pre-fourm move thread that I posted on because I couldn't find this thread.
Having beaten Golden Wildfire and Part 1 of Scarlet Blaze, Three Hopes has made something fairly clear to me: There are certainly some non-crest wielders who scale to crest wielders, and the House Leaders aren't in a league all their own. Once scene in particular showed Hilda deflecting a strike from Dimitri, and Claude even admitted he wasn't confident he could beat Dimitri alone and that his allies would make a major difference (Referring to Lorenz and Hilda).
It's not like this Claude is weaker than his Three Houses counterpart just because there were two years in-between when this happened and the Three Houses timeskip. (Major Golden Wildfire spoiler) Claude got the final blow on Rhea.
There are also examples of non-relic users being clearly comparable to relic users. Caspar can regularly spar with his father, a task that caused Shez (Who's power is often compared to Hero's Relics and is clearly comparable to relic users) to nearly pass out. Caspar can also keep up with Balthus, who is not only a Relic user but can keep up with Holst, who's considered to be the strongest man in Leister, above even relic users like Claude and Hilda.
(Part 1 Scarlet Blaze spoilers) Hell, even somebody like Shamir posed a genuine risk of killing Edelgard. Sure, she's incredibly skilled, but she's not really considered to be that far above everyone else in terms of raw power.
Not even including the fact that I... disagree with a lot of where Three Houses is currently placed at, it feels like there should be a major restructuring of the metaphorical totem pole.
It's not like this Claude is weaker than his Three Houses counterpart just because there were two years in-between when this happened and the Three Houses timeskip. (Major Golden Wildfire spoiler) Claude got the final blow on Rhea.
There are also examples of non-relic users being clearly comparable to relic users. Caspar can regularly spar with his father, a task that caused Shez (Who's power is often compared to Hero's Relics and is clearly comparable to relic users) to nearly pass out. Caspar can also keep up with Balthus, who is not only a Relic user but can keep up with Holst, who's considered to be the strongest man in Leister, above even relic users like Claude and Hilda.
(Part 1 Scarlet Blaze spoilers) Hell, even somebody like Shamir posed a genuine risk of killing Edelgard. Sure, she's incredibly skilled, but she's not really considered to be that far above everyone else in terms of raw power.
Not even including the fact that I... disagree with a lot of where Three Houses is currently placed at, it feels like there should be a major restructuring of the metaphorical totem pole.
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Man a lot of the old profiles really need fixing. They're super messy with no justifications.
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Same could be said for a lot of verses profiles that were made pre-forums, tbh.
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There are plans to upgrade the God Tiers to High 6-A scaling from Sothis' feat; though most characters would only be that strong via their Heroes Relics save for Byleth being that strong outright. Also, Three Hopes should be treated as a separate continuity from the mainline Three Houses profiles and thus should use different scaling procedures.
But I don't think anyone got around to those procedures.
But I don't think anyone got around to those procedures.
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Three hopes is a au and should be treated just like marvels what if
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It should just be treated as alternate timelines, I agree, statistics probably scale
anyone else think the sacred weapons should just scale to Heroes Relics? Especially given that said weapons were used to fight against the 10 Elites
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Massive Brigand Boss W
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Glad Brig Boss and Mustafa have distinct stats (Mustafa being more of a mixed tank/Brig Boss being more offensive) so I can build both without making them the exact same (I have a +10 Mustafa and plan on doing the same with Mr. Boss)
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I think the likes of Rhea directly scaling to full power Javelins of Light is slightly iffy, given the clear differences in blast radius between individual Javelins. This ain't Dragon Ball, we don't have stuff like Ki Control to write this kinda thing off. "Because Magic" dosn't feel like something we should be basing our entire argument on, espesially since the Javelins of Light aren't being empowered by the caster (As if they were, they would be inherently unnecessary), but are seemingly more based on the individual missiles. There's no reason that the casters would have any amount of control over the blast radius, so the idea that they'd use smaller blasts for a more "Compressed" attack is frankly silly.
I think it'd be easier to simply scale Byleth to things like Sothis' barriers and Sothis herself, the former due to the barrier being durable enough that the Agarthans likely wouldn't have been able to break it with their javelins of light and the latter due to Sothis being said to be able to survive them. There are lines of dialogue that imply that Byleth obtaining Sothis' power isn't unreasonable, as well.
For example, Macuil, one of the few individuals who knew of Sothis' abilities firsthand, said this to Byleth:
This implies that it's more than possible for Byleth, at least at his/her full power, to be comparable to Sothis, and that Macuil was seemingly confident he could fight a being at Sothis' level of power.
Indech, another being who knew Sothis firsthand, says something similar.
However, it is implied that the Nabateans are weakened over time, so it's possible that Macuil's statement was either arrogance or simply him being confident Byleth lacked Sothis' power at the time.
This would be more consistent, as it's noted that numerous Nabateans were killed by the Javelins of Light.
Although even if the Javelin scaling becomes invalid, the cast won't fall very far. The whole "Cutting a mountain in half" thing likely isn't hyperbole given even those from Almyra know Hero's Relics to have this amount of power, as seen in this piece of dialogue Nader says to Byleth when you fight him:
The fact that it's noted to "cleave" it in two means it would be totally cut in half, not just partially.
I think it'd be easier to simply scale Byleth to things like Sothis' barriers and Sothis herself, the former due to the barrier being durable enough that the Agarthans likely wouldn't have been able to break it with their javelins of light and the latter due to Sothis being said to be able to survive them. There are lines of dialogue that imply that Byleth obtaining Sothis' power isn't unreasonable, as well.
For example, Macuil, one of the few individuals who knew of Sothis' abilities firsthand, said this to Byleth:
This implies that it's more than possible for Byleth, at least at his/her full power, to be comparable to Sothis, and that Macuil was seemingly confident he could fight a being at Sothis' level of power.
Indech, another being who knew Sothis firsthand, says something similar.
However, it is implied that the Nabateans are weakened over time, so it's possible that Macuil's statement was either arrogance or simply him being confident Byleth lacked Sothis' power at the time.
This would be more consistent, as it's noted that numerous Nabateans were killed by the Javelins of Light.
Although even if the Javelin scaling becomes invalid, the cast won't fall very far. The whole "Cutting a mountain in half" thing likely isn't hyperbole given even those from Almyra know Hero's Relics to have this amount of power, as seen in this piece of dialogue Nader says to Byleth when you fight him:
The fact that it's noted to "cleave" it in two means it would be totally cut in half, not just partially.
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Tfw we forgot about the statistics change and they're also possibly going to become 3-A/Low 2-C or something
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... Wait, what the frick. Context. Please.
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I only remember High 6-A
Unless there was more source for Sothis creating the universe
Unless there was more source for Sothis creating the universe
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No it probably has to do with the feat of Zaharas collapsing upon Epimenides’ death
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That reminds me, I also noticed in the original Fire Emblem Warriors, it's implied everyone made some notable contributions in the final battle against Velezark. The extended missions also tend to consist of other crossover Lords besting Velezark single handedly, so I wouldn't mind Low 2-C applying to everyone in the original Warriors game at least for their end game + Extended Missions keys.
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Warriors is considered a mainline game like Heroes is, correct?
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Nah, Warriors is its own thing and also a spinoff; though plenty of character's from Marth's timeline appear; one-sided canon connection at best. Low 2-C shouldn't apply to anyone outside of Warriors.
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OG warriors still doesn't have anything for base
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Kinda off topic, but according to an Awakening art book, Brave weapons are capable of attacking twice due to being extremely light
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That was quick
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