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Fire Emblem Discussion thread: New Forum, New Mystery of the Emblem

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Pretending like Ain doesn't exist in the manga because everyone who fought him explicitly cannot scale

I have made galleries for every feat, anti or otherwise, up until Resurrection, which is basically when the relevant cast gets new keys anyways
 
It would appear that Relics aren't just "strong weapon" but actually an amp to the user in canon

Most notably, Shez uses their Relic to dual wield (notably with a Killing Edge, iirc) against Byleth in a cutscene, blocking with both swords against them. Probably gameplay mechanics, but one of their super attacks also appears to have both swords perform the same destructive feat, though Shez dual-wielding with his Relic would also appear to be an integral part of his moveset. Also probably gameplay mechanics, but it would explain Balthus able to kick while wielding his Relic for the same damage.

Wonder if we can ever get an upgrade to the "non-weapon" type of Relics (Thyrsus, Rafail Gem, Aegis Shield, and Fetters of Dromi)
 
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That’s a possibility, but it could also just mean the user themselves are just that strong. For example, the Sword of Seiros has clashed with the Sword of the Creator despite not being nearly as strong.
 
I'd actually argue the Sword of Seiros should be that strong, imo

Technically base Rhea/Seiros has no SotC level scaling without it, and Edelgard also shouldn't be that strong without a relic-level weapon. Every time the Sword of Seiros is used, it's against a Relic wielder (or wielders) or other potential Relic level threats. Rhea also requires protection in the one instance we see her not wielding it (Falling Short of Heaven)

Granted, Byleth IS that strong normally, but they also willingly use the Sword of Seiros over the Sword of the Creator in their paired ending with Jeritza

Almost every instance, if not all of them, of the Sword of Seiros being on screen, it's treated as an equal to the Sword of the Creator
 
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Yeah, it was agreed that most of the cast that uses Heroes Relics are High 6-A when using said Relics but Byleth once merged with Sothis is High 6-A outright with or without Sublime Sword of the Creator.
 
I know we've agreed on it, I was just bringing up that this is, potentially, some supporting evidence for the users being amped entirely by their weapons
 
Speaking of which, I also think it's actually accurate to say the regular SotC (Not the Sublime version) is actually the weakest Heroes Relic. It is definitely in terms of gameplay via low all around stats and lack of a special combat art. But it's kind of a fun fact given where the god tiers scale from and the fact that other Heroes Relic wielders match those who can easily stomp base Byleth.
 
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Speaking of which, I also think it's actually accurate to say the regular SotC (Not the Sublime version) is actually the weakest Heroes Relic. It is definitely in terms of gameplay via low all around stats and lack of a special combat art. But it's kind of a fun fact given where the god tiers scale from and the fact that other Heroes Relic wielders match those who can easily stomp base Byleth.
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Well Rhea suggested that even in it's weakened form it's still beyond the Heroes Relics
 
SotC actually has Ruptured Heaven as a unique combat art

Also iirc the Sword of the Creator is actually the reason why Rhea sends Byleth's class to go after Miklan, since he's wielding the Lance of Ruin

Granted, I actually somewhat doubt the base Sword of the Creator is actually all powerful compared to the others, given that every statement regarding it is actually referring to when it was wielded by Nemesis and, up until Byleth, nobody else has been able to use it otherwise. Nobody has seen or heard of it in a weakened state, and at the time of Rhea/Edelgard/Claude/etc. hyping it up, even Byleth had only used it once.

Tl;dr, all of the "SotC strong" statements are referring to the Full-Powered Sword of the Creator, not the fresh out of the casket weakened one

Base SotC absolutely scales directly to the Lance of Ruin, though, at least in the hands of Miklan, at the very least
 
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Not relating to the SotC, but rather the Three Hopes trailer and Amazon leak

Bernadetta confirmed for Three Hopes, pretty sure she's the archer on the bottom of the map shown in the Amazon leak and the trailer at 1:46, hair and class match the character.

Also I think the mage near Monica might be Constance? Not many magic users aligned with the Empire that are also light-haired. I'm not entirely sure though, and for the most part it could also just be me hoping for the Ashen Wolves to be in the game, but Constance seems to fit some of the details provided by the map sprite, imo
 
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I think Byleth uses the Sword of Seiros in Jeritza’s ending because the SotC is pretty much useless at that point, as it can’t even glow anymore without the Crest Stone.
 
Isn't it stated that they still use it in one of their endings? Might've forgotten

Edit: Solo CF ending states that Byleth fought Those Who Slither "with his/her legendary blade in hand"

Granted, Byleth logically shouldn't be able to use it without the Crest Stone, but we can see that Sothis technically never left them even in Crimson Flower
 
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