Fire Emblem Discussion thread: New Forum, New Mystery of the Emblem

[TheGatememer]

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My boi Owain finally got an alt

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

New Warriors game, huge tbh

 

[TheGatememer]

HOLY SHIT

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THREE HOUSES GOLDEN ROUTE?

 

[KobsterHope07]

New Warriors game, huge tbh

Indeed, Fire Emblem Three Hopes. I wonder how they will expand on the story and hopefully give some sort of developments to characters that barely have any like TWSITD

Perhaps this time they will give us a playable Rhea. I need my dragon-transforming units

 

[TheGatememer]

Looks like it's implied that this Byleth already experienced the events of Three Houses maybe?

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Seems like this might be a time travel plot where Byleth actually tries to save everyone. Might even make all four paths canon to it

 

[TheGatememer]

Possibly. Sothis also mentions something about revenge, so it could be about Byleth wanting to save/avenge Jeralt.

 

[SuperKamiNappa]

 

[XitSign]

Possibly. Sothis also mentions something about revenge, so it could be about Byleth wanting to save/avenge Jeralt.

A post story Byleth seeming to somehow travel back to change events motivated by revenge?

...Kronya's F U C K E D

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

There's also the Purple Haired guy who smashes the Subline Sword of the Creator.

But anyway, yeah it seems to be like the true Golden Route and possibly a sequal to Cindered Shadows; which many have speculated to be on the road to a Golden Route given that Jeralt learns the truth about Sitri, and Edelgard seems to see Rhea as someone with better intentions compared to how she viewed her in all those other routes and otherwise appears to be someone who'd ally with the Church.

The Warriors games have never been masterpieces by any stretch of the word, but they've always been fun ways to kill some time. And I'm sure this is still an improvement over the original Warriors much like Age of Calamity was to Hyrule Warriors.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

There's also the Purple Haired guy who smashes the Subline Sword of the Creator.

I've watched the trailer several times, I'm 100% sure that Byleth wasn't using the SotC, but a different sword entirely

Granted, said sword is probably notable enough given that it appears on the boxart

 

[Ovrhide]

Y’all better be ready for the three houses cast to become the strongest cast in the verse.

I don’t give a **** what anyone thinks, I’ve grown to like three houses cast more than any other cast. Fight me on that.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I agree, Three Houses is not only my favorite FE game, but also my favorite game of all time

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

an improvement over the original Warriors

Personally, I think being better than Fire Emblem Warriors is an absolute given with how diverse the cast of Three Houses is, the biggest problem with FEW (imo) was the cast:

Out of the four main characters, each of them, by themselves, are guaranteed to create 4/5 unique move sets (Pre-Timeskip Claude is infantry, unless there's a Dismount system, Mid?-Timeskip Edelgard might also be armored, which could create variety that the original game didn't have)

Assuming the full playable cast of Three Houses isn't guaranteed to make an appearance, we can at least assume the "three retainers" are playable (Hubert, Dedue, and Hilda). We can probably assume more popular characters are guaranteed an appearance (Lysithea 100%, her ability as a unit has been memed too hard for her to not be playable). It's pretty likely that clone characters (which I feel made up most of the FEW roster) would be kept to a minimum, imo

Of course, personally, I hope everyone makes it in (and Gatekeeper )

 

[TheGatememer]

Y’all better be ready for the three houses cast to become the strongest cast in the verse.

I don’t give a **** what anyone thinks, I’ve grown to like three houses cast more than any other cast. Fight me on that.

Tellius and Heroes says hello

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Yeah, Rowan and Lianna, especially the former, were heavily panned for being the most dull protagonists in the FE franchise. And I do love a lot of the characters from Marth's timeline; but the big issue is just that Marth, Lucina, and Chrom all have fighting styles that are too similar. But the main cast of Three Houses definitely has a lot more variety, and it appears to be more story focused than it does fan service focused with its roster.

Other issues are probably still going to be retrained; such as how absolutely repetitive Warriors games are in general with its style over substance combat system. But they are still fun to play despite that issue.

 

[TheGatememer]

Off topic, but I wonder if Brave Heroes should scale higher than their "mainline" counterparts. It has been implied that Brave Heroes are stronger than ordinary heroes, and there are some feats like Gatekeeper surviving numerous attacks from Thorr.

 

[XitSign]

I forget, are they different incarnations of their main counterparts? Like as in they're technically not the same character?

If we had a Heroes Lucina Profile would Brave be a key or a seperate page?

We have too many forms to keep track of the rules

 

[TheGatememer]

They are completely different characters, since they are manifested from the wishes of the people.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

unless there's a Dismount system

For some reason I didn't notice that this is literally the case, we see Mid?-Timeskip Claude both on and off his wyvern in the trailer

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

 

[Ovrhide]

I love idunn. She is honestly adorable.

 

[TheGatememer]

Cool, 5-B Elibe

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Gotta love hypotheticals; much like 3-B Starlight

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Technically, Niime doesn't even say that the world would be destroyed, but rather "tilted"

It's Raigh who goes on to assume that he'd be able to just blow up planets

Niime is probably just referring to how having too much force in one area messes with the world, which is just some weird thing that happens with Elibe for some reason

Heroes does state that Idunn could destroy Elibe though, but so could three other dragons, but however the closest person to having something that even resembles a feat is Ninian

 

[TheGatememer]

Technically, Niime doesn't even say that the world would be destroyed, but rather "tilted"

Cool, time to bring back High 6-A Elibe

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

High 6-A Elibe, 6-B (could probably downgrade tbh) Magvel, High 6-A Fodlan

Tier 4 (bare minimum )/Tier 2 everyone else

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

"Destroy the world" statements don't necessarily mean all at once, but tilting the world has often meant flipping the planet. Which is often moon level or above, but it's still too hypothetical.

As for 6-B Magvel, I agree a recalculation seems in order, but an Earthquake that otherwise basically destroys nearly all of Grado should still not be too far behind. Though, we don't know how big Magvel is and thus how big the other countries are accordingly.

Tellius also should definitely be Tier 2 since Ashera created order

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

I don't know if "creating order" would be Tier 2, but it would be legit I suppose, Ashera and Yune are referred to be "Order/Chaos Incarnate" (the latter even saying so herself)

Also, no "destroy the world" statements here, just Deeprealms and a joke that Ike should scale above everyone

Tier 4 is because Deeprealms are stated (at least in the English version) to be "small worlds", dunno why I dismissed Lilith creating them couldn't scale when Anankos himself equates hax to AP. There's a genuine argument to be made that it scales, imo

Base Elibe really needs the Frozen Lake calced, tbh

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I was only joking about the creating order part, that's why I crossed it.

But the Deeprealms part makes sense.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Earthquake that otherwise basically destroys nearly all of Grado should still not be too far behind.

Yeah, I'd imagine it's at least still in Tier 6

 

[TheGatememer]

The Deeprealms are probably Low 2-C tbh, since they are confirmed to have their own space-times.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

That is true, however they are explicitly referred to as "small" and we currently don't give Tier 2 to anything below universal

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Another thing, if they're refered to as "Small" won't people also be skeptical about the stars in the dimensions being real stars?

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

I mean, there are stated day-night cycles, so probably

 

[TheGatememer]

Either way, I don't really think Deeprealms matter in terms of tiering, since Lilith is said to have created the Astral Plane/My Castle, and not a deeprealm.

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

My Castle is bare minimum 4-A (which is pushing it), if not Low 2-C

Heck, the plane that My Castle is on is directly stated to be a parallel world with a separate flow of time

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Either way, I don't really think Deeprealms matter in terms of tiering, since Lilith is said to have created the Astral Plane/My Castle, and not a deeprealm.

This does appear to be true, since the translation for Lilith's profile states that she can create "Star Realms" (Astral Planes) rather than "Secluded Realms" (Deeprealms)

Might make the thread later if nobody else wants to

 

[TheGatememer]

Go for it. I know we kinda joked about this, but in all seriousness, should Ike also be affected due to statements from Heroes?

 

[JustSomeWeirdo]

Even without considering direct statements from Heroes, Priam is, technically, canon now, so the statements that Ike is "unparalleled" from his Paralogue is probably valid. Ike being consistently stated to be the verse's Top Tier could probably scale backwards to Ashera and Yune inadvertently creating Low 2-C Oliver but that might be a thread for another day

Priam could probably be upgraded as well with statements from DLC