Fire Emblem Discussion Thread 5: Fire Emblem Three Houses, One Basement

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Just completed Cindered Shadows, and despite a few of the chapters being hard as balls, I had a lot of fun with it.

 

[TheGatememer]

The first few chapters were the only ones that were particularly challenging imo

 

[TheGatememer]

The first few chapters were the only ones that were particularly challenging imo

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I was playing on the highest difficulty. And the first two chapters were easy, but chapter 4 was a pain in the @$$. And I also initially had trouble with Chapter 6 till I found out a good strategy.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I'm playing Cindered Shadows on Classic Hard Mode, what about y'all

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Same, Classic Hard Mode is how I role.

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

DemonGodMitchAubin made a calc for the sizes of Archanea and Valentia: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:DemonGodMitchAubin/Archanea_and_Valentia_Size

Whether this is accepted or not is a different matter entirely, but I'm still grateful to him for making this calc.

 

[PlumCrayfish376]

Class Hard Mode for me as well. The only chapters that give me the most trouble was Chapter 4 and 6. In Chapter 4, I totally didn't know Yuri has Locktouch til after I beaten the chapter so I was constantly on the clock as I took the long path around to the destination. It would make the mission a lot easier if I knew of Yuri's Locktouch earlier. And Chapter 6 was difficult only because I forgot that Ashe has Retribution for a good few tries. Once I learn of that gambit, the Chapter was easy once I taken out those mages.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

So my calc for what it takes to sink an average country got accepted as 6-A, now we need to decide what number of Javelins of Light we want to assume sunk said countries, either way it's a big upgrade for the high-end of the God Tiers

"At least 7-A, possibly 6-B" or "At least 7-A, possibly High 6-B" will be the new ratings for the God Tiers of Three Houses

I'm more inclined to assume the number of Javelins was 7 since that's all they had in the main story, but I want to get others opinions since it might be safer to go with 100

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

It's probably safer to use the mid-end, but I'm fine with the high-end.

Man...Large Country level is sort of consistent within the FE series huh?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I think 7 Javelins is reasonable.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

So does everyone agree with 7 Javelins of Light sink the countries

 

[Mr.Cinos15]

Sure

 

[XitSign]

Considering the huge differance from the first go around trying to calc the JOL, I'd be more find with the mid-end.

Maybe I'm just missing context, but it feels weird to accept such a huge differance in power between the original calc and this calc when its vauge how many they even had. I'd at least be more comfortable with the mid-end since we're assuming more JOLs were involved.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I'm ok with any end you guys want to do, if we want to assume 100 or even just 10, I'm down with that, either way it works for me

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I doubt they even have that many Javelins given how rare those things are. Like they're even rarer than Hero's Relics. But I think 7 to 10 is reasonable.

 

[TheGatememer]

I think around the 10-20 range should be fine honestly. Low 7-B Marianne now?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Let's go with 10 to be safe then, since both of you guys agree with that number to an extent

 

[PuasLuisZX]

I think 7 Javelins are fine for the most part.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

How does this look

Javelins of Light (Fire Emblem)

 

[PuasLuisZX]

It looks fine, but it should be "At least Massively Hypersonic", which is a minor detail.

 

[TheGatememer]

I don't think the JoL actually sunk the countries, just destroyed them. Minor typo with" area of effect." The user is likely Thales. Other than that, I think it should be fine.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I went with 7 since that is what the majority of people agree with, it doesn't make a huge difference if it's 7-14, they're all High 6-B

 

[TheGatememer]

Yea the amount should be fine.

Wait whats with the 6-A ranking?

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Javelins of Light Page looks good. And 6-A is with 7 of them.

 

[TheGatememer]

I thought it was High 6-B with 7 of them

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

It's 6-A with 7, it's High 6-B with 1

 

[TheGatememer]

Ah ok. This doesn't have to do with the upgrade, but who would the mid tier characters be? I'm assuming it's just hero's relic users post timeskip? (Plus Maurice and ten elites)

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Yeah^

Basically all the students like Marianne, Sylvain, Hilda, Felix etc.

Those who have Hero's Relics

 

[TheGatememer]

Okey

Does this profile look alright?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Mid Tier Characters are High 7-C, they scale to half of the Sword of the Creator, since it was stated even without a crest stone the Sword of the Creator is above all the other relic's individually

 

[TheGatememer]

but in the fire emblem page, doesn't it state that mid tier characters are Low 7-B? It's also semi consistent with Felix being able to notch a narrow victory against Byleth.

Well anyways I fixed the profile

 

[CrackerVolley]

I'm considering making a Zelgius vs Edelgard match. Will any of this affect that?

 

[TheGatememer]

Won't that be an AP stomp?

 

[CrackerVolley]

Just checked. I didn't know Three Houses got upgrades.

 

[PaChi2]

Edelgard cant bypass the black knight's blessing.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Technically, Edelgard can wield the Sword of the Creator. And given it has a blessing of a superior Goddess, that would bypass it. But I'm not sure of Amyr, which isn't even a real Hero's Relic but an artificial Hero's Relic of equal power. Don't think that would bypass it.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Also, that Marianne profile should have Tier lined up with stats as seen on the Sandbox.

 

[TheGatememer]

Amyr is powered by an actual crest stone though, despite being made of agarathium, but i dont think it counts.

I also fixed the tier on the profile.

 

[First_Witch]

Aw, its High 6-B. I thought we would get low-6B Three houses.