[FINALS] Asuna Kamakura & Javen vs Laser Frogman and Dr. Hecate [GRACE]

[Fernaine]

I can’t believe yall, you voted even without a hint of a final response from us. Stage 4 frogman has yet to reveal his greatest moves and froggy has a response to the main voting points he was going to post tomorrow. Guess nothing matters now but this is a disastrous way to end this tourney, i was taking a break and disabled all my notifications because of how stressed I was lately, so imagine my shock when I’m told Asuna and Javen have 6 votes out of nowhere while waiting for froggy to post. Did no one think it was a little weird I wasn’t answering anything when I usually always do?? Come on man… I feel betrayed.

I'm fairly new here, and I did not know that was the case, so when I was asked to vote in this thread, I based myself on what information I had at the time. I'm sorry if that's truly the case.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

As per the rules, the tournament is officially over, so revoking the vote now doesn't really matter.

I was under the impression that FC/OC matches also have a Grace period, no?

 

[SSB64]

I was under the impression that FC/OC matches also have a Grace period, no?

GRACE if it's a 3 point advantage. The moment it hits 4 or above (Which it did, and even hit as high as 6), GRACE no longer applies.

 

[Rayfire]

GRACE if it's a 3 point advantage. The moment it hits 4 or above (Which it did, and even hit as high as 6), GRACE no longer applies.

I've heard from minty that it was never really a written rule. In fact i can't find it on the versus thread rules of fc/oc at all. Still, i think it's down to vene if he wants to pull out or not

 

[SSB64]

I've heard from minty that it was never really a written rule. In fact i can't find it on the versus thread rules of fc/oc at all. Still, i think it's down to vene if he wants to pull out or not

If it isn't a written rule, then why would votes ever matter towards who wins a matchup?

 

[Rayfire]

If it isn't a written rule, then why would votes ever matter towards who wins a matchup?

The grace period thing is in question lol, i'm pretty sure it's only ever applicable if everyone participating in a thread completely agrees with the outcome, then i feel that'd be grounds to add it immediately, but vene obviously doesn't so i don't we should yet.

 

[SSB64]

The grace period thing is in question lol, i'm pretty sure it's only ever applicable if everyone participating in a thread completely agrees with the outcome, then i feel that'd be grounds to add it immediately, but vene obviously doesn't so i don't we should yet.

If we go by that logic, then if Asunaven are to win, and I was the only one who denied it, then it couldn't be added because of my single opinion.

 

[MintyBoi1]

I jumped the gun, I saw everyone voting and was certain that both teams agreed on a result. I will retract my vote until arguments are done. Also Grace requires at least 3 votes and 3 vote difference between both sides as said in the rules. Not sure how many we’re at now, but there’s always the 24 hour grace period in case more arguments are made or more people vote.

 

[Rayfire]

If we go by that logic, then if Asunaven are to win, and I was the only one who denied it, then it couldn't be added because of my single opinion.

Within 24 hours i mean, since that's grace period

Either way i think the most respectable option is to just not add the matches if nothing happens after 24 hours

 

[SSB64]

Within 24 hours i mean, since that's grace period

Either way i think the most respectable option is to just not add the matches if nothing happens after 24 hours

Then how come matches on the Wiki are almost immediately added when it's more than a 3 vote advantage even when it's divisive and not everyone agrees?

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Then how come matches on the Wiki are almost immediately added when it's more than a 3 vote advantage even when it's divisive and not everyone agrees?

The difference is that those fights finished, meanwhile here, votes were cast blatantly before everything had been gone through and without providing us the chance to respond

 

[SSB64]

The difference is that those fights finished, meanwhile here, votes were cast blatantly before everything had been gone through and without providing us the chance to respond

Is that part of the written rules, where everything must be skimmed through before people can vote?

 

[MintyBoi1]

Is that part of the written rules, where everything must be skimmed through before people can vote?

I think it’s a good idea to get a fully explored result before finishing this. Not just for grace period but for accuracy

 

[SSB64]

I think it’s a good idea to get a fully explored result before finishing this. Not just for grace period but for accuracy

Just because it's a good idea doesn't mean it's a written rule that it has to be that way. If we're being consistent with what is rules and what isn't, then this Tourney would already be finished.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Just because it's a good idea doesn't mean it's a written rule that it has to be that way. If we're being consistent with what is rules and what isn't, then this Tourney would already be finished.

Grace period rules are written here. 4+ votes automatically ending a thread isn’t a rule.

 

[SSB64]

Grace period rules are written here. 4+ votes automatically ending a thread isn’t a rule.

Then how come literally everytime I've seen 4+ votes, it automatically ends a thread?

 

[MintyBoi1]

Then how come literally everytime I've seen 4+ votes, it automatically ends a thread?

Seems like either there was time between things being added to profiles or it was genuinely a mistake. You can wait for grace period to end and acknowledge there’s not many more arguments to make. I have with plenty of results. Either way, rules are rules and it’s not cool to end the tournament without hearing out both side’s arguments.

 

[SSB64]

Seems like either there was time between things being added to profiles or it was genuinely a mistake. .

Then in that case, we're going to need to do a massive overhaul of this Wiki to weed out the mistakes made, again, in order to be consistent with what you're saying.

 

[Rayfire]

Either way, vene has said froggy apparently still has arguments, so if froggy says something before grace period ends i think i'll keep going with him and see what happens then, but i feel like adding the matchup, at least to asuna's profile, would be pretty scummy of me if froggy and vene believe it to be unfair (I still think asuven wins, but i think vene at least deserves some respect in this regard lol) but now that i'm aware that the intent from vene wasn't to vote in page 4 i think the most important thing is to see what froggy does before grace ends and we'll go from there, otherwise the win will go through

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

As promised, I humbly apologize for everything I said regarding this subject. If I was a nuisance to everyone, then I apologize for that too.

You apologized but as soon as I’m back you continue to do this, literally I’m saying this result was well premature. Froggy told me in dms to take a break the rest of the day and that he’d respond tomorrow

But I really don’t care anymore, I’m sick and tired of the forum and matches as whole right now, I have been for some time. I need a freaking break. Froggy is still gonna post tomorrow and we’ll see what happens with that, but seriously either way this thread became a disaster and I’m still in shock that votes were cast and just the way this proceeded at the end. I feel betrayed and disrespected about all of this (my stress has been clearly ignored) but all you care about is frogate being given the L. At this point just do what you want, if I continue with this the anger is going to come out.

 

[Rayfire]

You apologized but as soon as I’m back you continue to do this, literally I’m saying this result was well premature. Froggy told me in dms to take a break the rest of the day and that he’d respond tomorrow

But I really don’t care anymore, I’m sick and tired of the forum and matches as whole right now, I have been for some time. I need a freaking break. Froggy is still gonna post tomorrow and we’ll see what happens with that, but seriously either way this thread became a disaster and I’m still in shock that votes were cast and just the way this proceeded at the end. I feel betrayed and disrespected about all of this (my stress has been clearly ignored) but all you care about is frogate being given the L. At this point just do what you want, if I continue with this the anger is going to come out.

It's on me again dude, i didn't know you weren't able to reply to args and i thought it was time to vote from how page 4 went I won't add the match when this is over if asuven win and you are unhappy with it, but i do think taking a break from the forum is a good idea if you're starting to let off steam. It's hard on all of us lol

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

It's on me again dude, i didn't know you weren't able to reply to args and i thought it was time to vote from how page 4 went I won't add the match when this is over if asuven win and you are unhappy with it, but i do think taking a break from the forum is a good idea if you're starting to let off steam. It's hard on all of us lol

I guess it comes down to whether or not what froggy says changes things.

 

[Rayfire]

I guess it comes down to whether or not what froggy says changes things.

In which case I’ll definitely make a rebuttal and see what everyone thinks then. We have plenty of time in grace for froggy to do this If you feel the need to take a break from the forum you should definitely do it dude. You’ve been fighting just as hard as me lol

 

[Javenplayz253]

I can’t believe yall, you voted even without a hint of a final response from us. Stage 4 frogman has yet to reveal his greatest moves and froggy has a response to the main voting points he was going to post tomorrow. Guess nothing matters now but this is a disastrous way to end this tourney, i was taking a break and disabled all my notifications because of how stressed I was lately, so imagine my shock when I’m told Asuna and Javen have 6 votes out of nowhere while waiting for froggy to post. Did no one think it was a little weird I wasn’t answering anything when I usually always do?? Come on man… I feel betrayed.

Sorry dude, like genuinely.
I'll take away my vote and let froggy reply

 

[Rayfire]

I'll retract my vote until froggy replies, and i'll see how asuven could respond from there.

 

[Diamond_Drone]

Then how come literally everytime I've seen 4+ votes, it automatically ends a thread?

Someone made a mistake and thought that's how it worked. The mistake was acknowledged when Homelander fought himself.

 

[Froggytron]

It's a bit early to vote lol, i still have arguments and vene is being a tiny bit forgetful about what asuven can do...

This is why my current conclusion is a Frogate DQ. Not only would this prevent more of these long messages from occuring, but it also seems to be the most likely outcome given that, unless Asunaven can do something to pull it out of their butt, they're getting stomped (Pretty bad image for staying in the Tourney and not being considered too broken when an undefeated champion with backup gets curbed by those same two characters.)

Heck. At this rate, I'm starting to believe that Dio + Clover would legitimately lose to Frogate since from the sounds of it, Frogman has counters to even Clover's SAVE and LOAD function.

So i'll switch my vote to incon if hecate can handle [Negate], but otherwise this is definitely looking like an asuven win statistically speaking As there are no counters brought up besides Golden Saturn Waving unless frogate will just stomp immediately like vene seems to be banking for (Which can't be added lol). So for now, i'll say it once more...

I Believe In Asuna and Javen, And in the Future! I Believe. My Drill... IS MY SOUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (Asuven) FRA

I will be Vote #2. Asunaven FRA.

I find it detestable that although I wasn't voting yesterday (where I clearly could already) and was waiting for what you would say to Tree Saber come (being a near all one-hit here), you Rayfire used the time instead to spam this threat with AsuJaven FRA train not even counting I would reply, you simply abused the window I was stuck in college with bachelor thesis consultation planned on today and Vene being tired from constant replying, this is absolutely rude and disrespectful

And namely, your activity SSB64 is suspicious as hell, first you instantly vote AsuJaven, then you brag the entire threat how Frogtace are super OP and AsuJaven can hardly do anything, in the end you mention Frogtace is stomping and can beat Dio + Clover, and in mere hours that Im gone you imminently switch your mindset that AsuJaven wins on a single argument I yet didn't reply on (and didn't have a chance to even)

I don't wanna be or sound rude, but this is how these past hours' events seem to me, I wanna make a clean slate here. Now as for the Frogman's reply itself, it's cooking time.

 

[Rayfire]

I find it detestable that although I wasn't voting yesterday (where I clearly could already) and was waiting for what you would say to Tree Saber come (being a near all one-hit here), you Rayfire used the time instead to spam this threat with AsuJaven FRA train not even counting I would reply, you simply abused the window I was stuck in college with bachelor thesis consultation planned on today and Vene being tired from constant replying, this is absolutely rude and disrespectful

I did apologise, vene felt compelled to vote and I got confused. That’s on me bro, i’m sorry it seems this way

 

[Yoriichi999]

COOK!!! I did eventually retract my vote after re-reading what venefica said. I felt bad after the fact honestly. I "spoke too soon" so to speak.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

The votes are still 2-0 as far as I know, so grace is off, there is still time to reply

 

[Froggytron]

There are three reasons I'm voting Frogtace FRA here (and with which I waited to hear the replies to be sure my vote on this is legitimate):


1st, Frogman and Hecate edge. AsuJaven have immerse arsenal, but would a list of attributes be made here in an extended version (who is better in stats, who in durability, who is hax, who in battle IQ, and so on...), Frogtace comes edging by bit by being stronger in majority sections, even if very little and if the majority is just +-60%.

I mean honestly I’m tempted to vote now, frogman and Hecate have much greater arsenals, intelligence/planning, experience, and versatility as a team alongside moves like this combination Tree Saber and a sheer amount of attacks which I doubt even Asuna could react to via danger sense by the sheer number of them all (it’s mentioned numerous times that her peak feats of dodging just thousands of projectiles, and even with fortune there’d still be 250,000 blasts which would be statistically extremely likely to hit her especially with the fact that laser storm will home in on her and Javen (including during the tree saber strike as pressure) further with the precog resistances there are anyhow and Hecate being able to speed her own stuff up WAY more (further with red saber spears in tree saber, also able to speed up to the extreme according to froggy, who knows all about stage 4 frogman) and use frogman’s help to control her aim way better than she usually can even at those speeds, unlike in the semis frogate has means of remaining on equal stamina footing with Asuna and Javen so that main wincon of outlasting is gone, frogman has a bunch of ways to (including his own social influencing, which is very strong in stage 4) break Javen’s spirit (also denying imagination manifestation, since his belief would be pretty shaken at best, and that belief needs to be stout for it to work) even with Asuna’s help and of all the fighters, Javen is most likely to be taken out first based on all the variables (especially with frogate basically having nothing but dura neg options and his reactions being nothing next to Asuna or even frogman since he doesn’t have any enhanced reactions at all) would leave a 2v1 against Asuna, and there’s no chance she’d survive against these two all alone.

I know there’s still more from the Asuna and Javen camp to be said (namely, the stars) but at this point I’m unsure they even last long enough to try it, and frogate has ways even to counter those. Plus frogman and Hecate have methods to just stop them from pushing the earth away which is what allowed them to use stars quaint cobalt in the first place. In the Asuna and Javen vs cobalt and destiny, the winner was determined by ‘higher odds/more progress able to be made against the opponent’, which, considering all of the above (and the fact frogman still has more to bring, as said by froggy he has yet to bust out his hard diff maneuvers) definitely looks like frogate.

^ In this reply, Vene cleared this in very high detail, yet I feel like no one properly read it (besides SSB64, which seems to only used it to justify idea to DQ Frogtace further). So I'm bringing this out now again, please people read this, its crucial.





The second reason I'm voting for Frogtace here is the reply made on Tree Counter. It's notable and cannot be assured Asuna does this in each battle variant, but judging by all the events prior to, all things that showed to be not effective against Frogman (I will get to this later) and how little arsenal she has left, the percentage rate of her doing what Rayfire described here really feels like a big majority:

If this move is used to attempt to oneshot asuna & javen's clones, then that isn't very ideal considering that asuna's clones can pull a half-uno reverse on frogman this way, or at least hecate... I've said this MANY times before lol, if it physically impacts asuna AT ALL it'll reflect about 50% back onto either frogman or hecate depending on who the clone chooses. This is not a very good idea at all lol, as i've said before this is going to discourage them.

• Enhanced Attack Reflection (Via [Reverse] Skill. While it is only active for a few seconds at a time, It can redirect 50% of any physical damage landed on asuna back towards an aggressor, though this is not able to redirect certain skills, such as [Negate], which do not physically impact her.)

How come? Asuna senses the killing intent of a target, she isn't an analytical machine like the red stickmen uses lol, it's entirely different Frogman doesn't negate instinctive action.

This desperate solution is Asuna's grave. It's true Frogman's body (likely including all his clones) gets obliterated if he does this, but it means all the AsuJaven clones, including the originals die. Not just Red Stickmen, even other Frogmen (with really solid precog) cannot see Red Sabers of other Frogmen in the future (and I even mentioned it here), Asuna is heavily underestimating the consequences of Tree Saber landing, further if she uses [fortune] to guarantee it. The 'Decay Burning' (also invisible to precog) has many and many sections about its adaptive power on FU pages, it will burn all from which Asuna wants to regen back or recover.

But namely, as Asuna used much of RE to combat Golden Laser Storm (to which I still have much to say), Frogman uses his precog from that moment => Frogman sees Asuna's damage transferal happening => and he makes sure this gets rid of his enemy for good (as you mentioned, this eventually becomes hard-diff for Frogman even experienced as this).

• Damage Transferal (can transfer effects back, along with Statistics Reduction, upon a clone killed) [still of Stage 2, at Combat Stage 4 it's greatly buffed)
• Damage Transferal (can make 5 out of 41-80 clones transfer damage along changes, like transmutation and reality warping)

It's damage transferal triggered by damage transferal, at this rate so with so many clones capable to slay main Asuna and Javen even if they originally intended to just sacrifice their clones. Worth mentioning Hecate should take damages here, as she is the only making "clones" from lasers (not actually being her clones, rather a better projectiles she can control with her IQ), in other words its super likely original Hecate survives this.

With attacks out of willpower, possibly even Frogman's BFR's Core will suffer some damages, but after a decent while of recovering (likely notable bigger than the original time should take), it regens back a weaker body of Stage 4 back, which with dimension travel can get through many universes back on the battlefield, where all AsuJaven clones are death. That makes both Frogtace teammates alive (although tired), while Asujaven teammates are death => 2nd point I'm voting Frogtace here.





As for my third reason I'm voting Frogatece here, it's actually that Frogman has a way against Fortune (and with hard-diff methods, he has means catch up and win even in the late game)

Assuming hecate manages to get Golden Saturn Waving it sort of becomes a 50/50 from there, since probability manipulations will conflict with each other. Neither are guaranteed, but both make each other equally as likely to hit each other considering that there is no exact percentage for this move on Hecate's page ever specified.
I feel like i am repeating myself here...

So i think i have reason to believe that this will either be Incon or an Asuven W, frogate's best option seems to be winning instantly somehow (Which is just a stomp and not able to be added lol) before [Fortune] can be used to save asuven, which is especially likely with the scenario froggy made where asuven has a GOLDEN opportunity to defend against Golden Laser Storm using this and various other means (Get it ) and take frogate out before the time runs out, which will statistically be either very likely or a 50/50 if hecate can resist [Negate] to get rid of her own probability manipulation (Which, again, isn't really specific on how much it buffs the luck on the profile, and has limited range and both induce very likely positive outcomes anyway). Spamming rewinds offensively, while a bit iffy and seems out-of-character to me, won't stop this as asuna will remember the rewinds due to a lack of acausality negation which froggy states is not on the profile. Thus asuven's own probability manipulation will kick in

"frogate's best option seems to be winning instantly somehow (Which is just a stomp and not able to be added lol) before [Fortune] can be used to save asuven"

Combat Stage4's hard diff arsenal, namely with Hecate's help capable of making trillions of calculations in a row and writing complex programs working on the first try Not only there is the Golden Saturn Waving, but Frogman himself has a triumph card in the later fight which can grant him the win even would everything other fail:

• Sandbox Saber - The skill of a highly experienced Stage 4 Frogman practicing for dozens of thousands of years reaches into capability to create his own Saber Modes suiting his goals and personality. Although it's mostly used for developing new personalized moves, with enough time a Saber developed against a specific enemy can be altered, containing new specifically merged powers from the 'Red Laser Ability Pool'.

Normally, to create custom Red Sabers, Frogman needs to practice with them and kinda alter them like "when a blacksmith crafts one, like trial and error". But Hecate's trillion operations in a row would allow to develop a functional saber plan in mid-battle, and Frogman can then draw it, functionating on the first attempt.

So my claim is, what prevents Frogman and Hecate from making a new Anti-Fortune Saber, a new variant on which interferences of luck or fate have no effects? And not only that, Sandbox Saber presents a way to catch up with Asuna evolving powers and Javen creating stuff from imagination even in the late game, which normally wouldn't be possible without Hecate. That is for my third reason I'm voting for Frogtace FRA here, they show to not get left in the dust with RE and ways capable to avoid their attacks.



There are 2 disclaimers:
1) Due to my abstinence, hundreds of gigantic arguments accumulated here and I cannot reply to all of them. If there are some really KEY arguments not replied to at all somewhere lying there in these 5 pages, I would like for them to be reposted so I can reply on them properly (in in short sadly, I still have busy schedule)
2) I will pull back my vote if a truly logical and solid method of Asujaven changing all said here appears, which I won't have arguments against

 

[Rayfire]

I’ll make my reply soon once I’m ready

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Frogate FRA

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I’m also still not convinced that Hecate’s barriers would just absorb negate if it were used in golden Saturn waving, considering they are full body (including her insides) and power nullification which is noted to reduce the effects of attacks to ‘zero’ in addition to absorption, but because of the nebulous nature of negate, it’s a bit confusing

 

[Froggytron]

I’ll make my reply soon once I’m ready

That is fine (namely as it's 2:2 now), but my energy (in addition to time unfortunately) is notably lower than Vene's, please counter my arguments (if there is something) with "quality over quantity" ideas, ideally just three arguments as why these three claims I'm voting on should be incorrect. A mountain of things against every word I put there will just make this threat into 10 pages and unreadable for anyone trying to make a vote

But still, I feel I cleared everything for people to base their judgment on in this message.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

I’m also still not convinced that Hecate’s barriers would just absorb negate if it were used in golden Saturn waving, considering they are full body (including her insides) and power nullification which is noted to reduce the effects of attacks to ‘zero’ in addition to absorption, but because of the nebulous nature of negate, it’s a bit confusing

What froggy says is best especially since I’m basically pulling myself from matches for a while, I’ll just be around for short things like this if anything because otherwise my stress is just gonna get worse and worse like it was yesterday.

 

[SSB64]

I find it detestable that although I wasn't voting yesterday (where I clearly could already) and was waiting for what you would say to Tree Saber come (being a near all one-hit here), you Rayfire used the time instead to spam this threat with AsuJaven FRA train not even counting I would reply, you simply abused the window I was stuck in college with bachelor thesis consultation planned on today and Vene being tired from constant replying, this is absolutely rude and disrespectful

And namely, your activity SSB64 is suspicious as hell, first you instantly vote AsuJaven, then you brag the entire threat how Frogtace are super OP and AsuJaven can hardly do anything, in the end you mention Frogtace is stomping and can beat Dio + Clover, and in mere hours that Im gone you imminently switch your mindset that AsuJaven wins on a single argument I yet didn't reply on (and didn't have a chance to even)

Hilariously, I could say almost everything regarding you and nearly everyone who was in the Dio + Clover chat. When everyone does it to me, I'm in the wrong, but when I do it to anyone else, I'm also in the wrong.

No one even bothered to do further research and analysis on Clover's Hax before immediately accepting the DQ while I was gone, and then when I tried to explain stuff about it, everyone was just like "What's done is done", "No more talking about it", and "Suck up and deal with it". However, when it's you and Venefica that are in the same situation, everyone scrambles and works together to make sure you both get all of the treatment needed and to chastise me for the same thing Leo did to me which I also got chastised for. It's funny how it works, doesn't it? Everytime someone does something to me, nobody bats an eye to it, but once that same thing happens to them, everyone is quick to get mad at me without even realizing their own hypocrisy.

Quite frankly, I'm sick of being treated as second class no matter where I go, and I genuinely feel more and more hopeless every single time this happens to me. I'm getting to the point now where I'm seriously becoming stressed and paranoid of even trying to have fun and relaxation online because of it, so if Frogate win this..... Well..... I hope the victory satisfies you as much as this thread hurts me.

 

[Rayfire]

Hilariously, I could say almost everything regarding you and nearly everyone who was in the Dio + Clover chat. When everyone does it to me, I'm in the wrong, but when I do it to anyone else, I'm also in the wrong.

No one even bothered to do further research and analysis on Clover's Hax before immediately accepting the DQ while I was gone, and then when I tried to explain stuff about it, everyone was just like "What's done is done", "No more talking about it", and "Suck up and deal with it". However, when it's you and Venefica that are in the same situation, everyone scrambles and works together to make sure you both get all of the treatment needed and to chastise me for the same thing Leo did to me which I also got chastised for. It's funny how it works, doesn't it? Everytime someone does something to me, nobody bats an eye to it, but once that same thing happens to them, everyone is quick to get mad at me without even realizing their own hypocrisy.

Quite frankly, I'm sick of being treated as second class no matter where I go, and I genuinely feel more and more hopeless every single time this happens to me. I'm getting to the point now where I'm seriously becoming stressed and paranoid of even trying to have fun and relaxation online because of it, so if Frogate win this..... Well..... I hope the victory satisfies you as much as this thread hurts me.

This is an entirely different situation though, Here it was pretty much just a big misunderstanding of when to vote, but in the semi's, it was the fact that there was no way anyone could get around the LOAD spam, and also dio's immediate speedblitzing via TW didn't help either. The latter obviously wasn't your fault, and neither was clover since you didn't submit him, but this sort of thing just gets around anything the moment the fight starts. We aren't blaming you or the original submitter, we're removing the characters because they are very likely to sweep.

I know it might seem like this to you, but we aren't trying to undermine you at all dude lol, we're trying to make this tourney as fair as possible. It's just getting on a lot of people's nerves because it continues to be talked about here, and i think this is the root of the cause here I think you just need to follow through on your word of taking a step back from the forum for a couple of days if you are heated about all of this.

That said, i don't exactly think going after vene and froggy like this is a good idea regardless of if you disagree with them or not. Both of them have said they are obviously pressured by the thread, and this is likely to just make them angry and nobody wins when that happens. The misunderstanding of the voting time thing is on me, and i wanna reach a conclusion that as many people as possible are happy with. If you win by stressing your opponent out so much, is it really a win?

Basically, i think taking a step back is the best action to take for you (I'm still feeling pretty guilty about all this especially since i was being a dumb 16 year old here lol, i feel this was preventable which is primarily why my reply to froggy will be sometime tomorrow, it's kinda hampering me)

It's best to just leave this behind us. Ending the thread on a good note is the most important thing here, not the result nor what happened in the semi's

 

[SSB64]

This is an entirely different situation though, Here it was pretty much just a big misunderstanding of when to vote, but in the semi's, it was the fact that there was no way anyone could get around the LOAD spam, and also dio's immediate speedblitzing via TW didn't help either. The latter obviously wasn't your fault, and neither was clover since you didn't submit him, but this sort of thing just gets around anything the moment the fight starts. We aren't blaming you or the original submitter, we're removing the characters because they are very likely to sweep.

Again. The hypocrisy here. Not to mention, I've already addressed every single point you've brought up here a bajillion times, and yet these exact points continue to be brought up. People have ways around the LOAD function and TW, especially since it's not in character for them to do it in these situations right out of the gate since Dio will be goaded not to initially, and Clover only does so in the most extreme of circumstances, exactly like Frogate here. Not to mention, if Frogate win, THEY sweep for the same reasons Dio + Clover would've. Also,'ve The World is stated on his page to be the same speed as Dio. If people had actually, you know, did research and read their pages like we're doing. With every other character,, Then we wouldn't be here. To say Frogate shouldn't be eliminated when Dio + Clover are basically Frogate but weaker overall in nearly every single way just goes to further substantiate my point of hypocrisy.

I know it might seem like this to you, but we aren't trying to undermine you at all dude lol, we're trying to make this tourney as fair as possible. It's just getting on a lot of people's nerves because it continues to be talked about here, and i think this is the root of the cause here I think you just need to follow through on your word of taking a step back from the forum for a couple of days if you are heated about all of this.

You might not try to undermine me, but unfortunately, that just happens to be the case. If Frogate win, then by proxy, everyone failed at keeping the Tournament fair based on everything I've brought up, and only goes to prove that only I can be at fault here. And believe be. Over the last while, I've noticed this pattern surface with nearly every single location I go to online. And no. Leaving would only stress me out even more. Heck, if I come back after a few days, and Frogate have won, then I'll just be even more stressed out than if I stayed. It's too risky for me to not follow this Thread.

Basically, i think taking a step back is the best action to take for you (I'm still feeling pretty guilty about all this especially since i was being a dumb 16 year old here lol, i feel this was preventable which is primarily why my reply to froggy will be sometime tomorrow, it's kinda hampering me)

It's best to just leave this behind us. Ending the thread on a good note is the most important thing here, not the result nor what happened in the semi's

I already said why it's a terrible idea, so I won't repeat myself.

And unfortunately, there's a 50/50 chance that by "Good Note", it comes out as "We've slayed the bad guy (Me), as it should be." Good ending for you all. Miserable for me. And as mentioned, taking a break and coming back to a Frogate W would only worsen this effect on me.

 

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Again. The hypocrisy here. Not to mention, I've already addressed every single point you've brought up here a bajillion times, and yet these exact points continue to be brought up. People have ways around the LOAD function and TW, especially since it's not in character for them to do it in these situations right out of the gate since Dio will be goaded not to initially, and Clover only does so in the most extreme of circumstances, exactly like Frogate here. Not to mention, if Frogate win, THEY sweep for the same reasons Dio + Clover would've. Also,'ve The World is stated on his page to be the same speed as Dio. If people had actually, you know, did research and read their pages like we're doing. With every other character,, Then we wouldn't be here. To say Frogate shouldn't be eliminated when Dio + Clover are basically Frogate but weaker overall in nearly every single way just goes to further substantiate my point of hypocrisy.


You might not try to undermine me, but unfortunately, that just happens to be the case. If Frogate win, then by proxy, everyone failed at keeping the Tournament fair based on everything I've brought up, and only goes to prove that only I can be at fault here. And believe be. Over the last while, I've noticed this pattern surface with nearly every single location I go to online. And no. Leaving would only stress me out even more. Heck, if I come back after a few days, and Frogate have won, then I'll just be even more stressed out than if I stayed. It's too risky for me to not follow this Thread.




I already said why it's a terrible idea, so I won't repeat myself.

And unfortunately, there's a 50/50 chance that by "Good Note", it comes out as "We've slayed the bad guy (Me), as it should be." Good ending for you all. Miserable for me. And as mentioned, taking a break and coming back to a Frogate W would only worsen this effect on me.

Dude, you’re genuinely seeing different things than me. Everyone besides you and Chariot agreed DIO and Clover’s hax combined were too OP to mess with in a tournament setting so they were disqualified, that’s it. Nobody is trying to make you the villain, you are just continuing to go back in your apology and being genuinely annoying. It’s not our fault Clover and DIO was an unexpectedly broken combo, and we’re just trying to have a satisfying finals match here.