[R2M3] Laser Frogman & Dr. Hecate vs Max & Jack Skille [0-0-0]

[SSB64]

NGL, I'm probably gonna go with Hecton of Frogs FTW. It doesn't sound like Max and Jack have much working for them.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

NGL, I'm probably gonna go with Hecton of Frogs FTW. It doesn't sound like Max and Jack have much working for them.

Yeah. The help button is busted but Frogman has the counters. Without him, Hecate would be done for sure, which tbh is surprising to me, hats off to max and jack

But yeah Frogman and Hecate FRA

 

[Rayfire]

The help button, however, is not the type of thing that would bypass through this. All of the powers the help button has are included in the pool of core resistances

Does it include probability manipulation to the degree that the help button has tho?

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Does it include probability manipulation to the degree that the help button has tho?

I mean yeah, it includes virtually everything

 

[Javenplayz253]

I mean yeah, it includes virtually everything

It doesn't state it here

Laser Frogman's core

Creating a Laser Frog’s core is a last Laser Frogman’s resort for survivability. All memories and consciousness (brain) merge with most of Frogman laser energy (heart) to create an alive core, which teleports to a safe location automatically before an imminent death (doesn't matter if its by...

fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com

 

[Rayfire]

I mean yeah, it includes virtually everything

You're gonna have to link it to me, i can't find it anywhere if they don't have resistance to outcomes changing like i've already shown i'm not entirely sure how their stuff matters. Not that i don't think they have it, i just need confirmation

Again the help button also saves them even if they’ve basically already lost something, breaking the rules of a game entirely as well. (Which granted, wasn’t a fight situation, but considering the help button’s other feats of changing outcomes like making the school bully accidentally reveal himself i don’t think this sort of thing would be an outlier.) so what good is experience and skill when max can literally change the outcome of the fight the second he’s backed into a corner?

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

You're gonna have to link it to me, i can't find it anywhere if they don't have resistance to outcomes changing like i've already shown i'm not entirely sure how their stuff matters. Not that i don't think they have it, i just need confirmation

Red Laser Crystals/Soul Crystals show to possess immerse quantum of resistances against non-close willpower-connected attacks/other negative influences, being trained to case-by-case seemingly downscale them at the very lowest concept, the 0th dimension, passively. Regrown crystals having done this against millions of techniques / their uncountably layered and negation-focused versions are said to have established an 'inner world perception of the outside world'

Millions of techniques, probability stuff most certainly included. The only reason this isn’t stated directly (nothing is stated directly really for this reason) is because the true list of resistances would be stupidly long, so the term negative influences is used instead. In FU, the soul crystal is able to no diff resist the influence of all the enemies regular frogmen fight, including whole groups of ‘wizards with thousands of spells’ and enemies more haxxed than even stage 3/4 are. They use these resistances to their advantage all the time

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Red Laser Crystals/Soul Crystals show to possess immerse quantum of resistances against non-close willpower-connected attacks/other negative influences, being trained to case-by-case seemingly downscale them at the very lowest concept, the 0th dimension, passively. Regrown crystals having done this against millions of techniques / their uncountably layered and negation-focused versions are said to have established an 'inner world perception of the outside world'

Millions of techniques, probability stuff most certainly included. The only reason this isn’t stated directly (nothing is stated directly really for this reason) is because the true list of resistances would be stupidly long, so the term negative influences is used instead. In FU, the soul crystal is able to no diff resist the influence of all the enemies regular frogmen fight, including whole groups of ‘wizards with thousands of spells’ and enemies more haxxed than even stage 3/4 are. They use these resistances to their advantage all the time

The word ‘techniques’ here also isn’t referring to like fighting techniques, this refers to pure hax ability. The lore behind all this is long, but it’s essentially the same principle of ‘undeniability’ that makes frogman stuff immune to being power copied

 

[MintyBoi1]

It looks like Frogman and Hecate have a better variety of win cons plus intelligence and skill. Voting them FRA.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

grace

 

[SSB64]

Now that this is in Grace, it's time to see how Maskpire and Wild West Dancer fare against two evil and colorblind Goku's.

 

[Volt12121]

Frogman and Hecta fra

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

This match really became max vs frogman huh lol

 

[Rayfire]

Red Laser Crystals/Soul Crystals show to possess immerse quantum of resistances against non-close willpower-connected attacks/other negative influences, being trained to case-by-case seemingly downscale them at the very lowest concept, the 0th dimension, passively. Regrown crystals having done this against millions of techniques / their uncountably layered and negation-focused versions are said to have established an 'inner world perception of the outside world'

Millions of techniques, probability stuff most certainly included. The only reason this isn’t stated directly (nothing is stated directly really for this reason) is because the true list of resistances would be stupidly long, so the term negative influences is used instead. In FU, the soul crystal is able to no diff resist the influence of all the enemies regular frogmen fight, including whole groups of ‘wizards with thousands of spells’ and enemies more haxxed than even stage 3/4 are. They use these resistances to their advantage all the time

Seems fine then Frogman Carries the team fra

 

[Froggytron]

Would the button be able to save max if Hecate just decides to go all bombardment on him? Not to mention Frogman has a myriad of different ways he could start the battle with as an assistance to Hecate

Yeah, despite being primarily melee-focused, any Stage 4 Frogman has magnificent sets of danmaku, like Laser Storm combined with Blood Bullets (which despite being a stage1 skill become terrifying when combined with Low-High regen stage4 brings, able to constantly divide each bullet into dozens, which regenerate into full bullets, soon exponentially spamming the entire battlefield when not faced with some hax able reduce their numbers equally radically )

I still can’t imagine he can use that to help with the sheer amount of spam Hecate can do with those lasers not to mention speed amps and the homing properties, plus she has Super God Lasers, Super God Split off, Crazy Potato Bombs, and more which she can use as backups as she begins the Golden Tornado Flarathon

• Golden Tornado Flarathon: Using her Golden Fire Lasers and blasting them all around her, Hecate can wrap them around into swooping tornados, which move up and down and all around as if they're throwing an amazing party. These tornados seek to force others to join the party too, so they follow enemies according to the brainwaves of Hecate. Even getting close can shred and vaporize their surroundings, and their power stacks as well, forcing powers used nearby to outright disappear practically as fast as they arrive. After some time of spamming the lasers and forming them into tornadoes, Hecate has what she refers to as a 'Flarathon', an immense grouping of Golden Fire Lasers able to nullify an entire enemy army. She has other ways to apply the attack in a more deadly manner too.

Plus, on the topic of fear manip, Frogman has the DRAGON saber which releases a very potent fear manip (of his mere aura and appearance), which can grow to continental size and multiples his ‘conceptual fear’ effect (provided frogman turns it on), which can instill intense fear even into lifeless things and cells themselves, literally forcing existential terror into opponents at the molecular level. Of course, this is even further exemplified if the opponent is high sin meter

• Conceptual Fear - Manual activation. Upon detecting Frogman by any sense, the more Sin-Meter the observer has, the more severe Fear Manipulation is caused to them. Fear Manip. resistance is nearly not enough to prevent the symptoms (slowness, stun, tendency to run), as this power creates own consciousness in beings cells and very molecules, causing them to tremble in fear. Even Inanimate objects are forced to feel this, by gaining temporary instinctive intelligence.

Frogman can also apply 3-Second Rewind onto Hecate if she faints and portal her a sufficient distance away to avoid the fear manip, and she can then use her golden battlefield mapping to track her opponents and just bombarde them from afar, safe from the fear manip while Frogman takes the main offensive with his Red Saber combos

True points, Hecate's danmaku sniping can further get enlarged by some stage 4 clones joining her firing from the distance, using remotely smaller versions of Laser Storm combined with Blood Bullets (not as impressive in exponential growth compared with main Frogman's with Low-High regen), but would still add pressure into the fight)

Furthermore to this, as they are a team, Hecate could absorb at least one Frogman cell (through which Frogman could talk with her using telepathy, which would be made greater with Hecate's body merged with the golden suit) upon the battle start since unlike Frogman’s normal FU teammates, she doesn’t have their means of telepathic communication. They could also use this to share energy (thanks to 100% frogman physiology) in case stamina runs low so Hecate can make her Flarathon as large and deadly as she needs

Namely with Frogman's infinitely regenerating stamina, as long they don't consume it all in a brief moment (surpassing the recovery time) and use it tactically, they can fight nearly forever with powerful attacks

I guess all of that is fair enough, but I don’t see either of them being able to beat frogman though even if Hecate is just outright not present at all. 26K years of experience, dozens of different hax powers and even more ways to apply them, the ability to create 80 clones, the dragon saber being able to tear opponents 99.9..9% lifespan, most of AP, and even soul out of their bitten body by pulling Dragon Saber back. I’m pretty sure he can win outright without Hecate’s help at all

Frogman is not a Biological Superweapon frog-humanoid dude for nothing-

Frogman can rewind what the help button applies to Max and form a plan around that too, rewinding him into a wide open spot where he can be one shot by the DRAGON saber and without clairvoyance or some time based precog he doesn’t really have a counter there.

That still is one of the last options, but would the precog (both combat and organ one say they 99% die without it), he would use it sooner on the last timing

Has frogman ever just done that in a vs thread before though? The limited amount of clones that can transfer damage doesn’t seem like much of, well, a limitation if he can just do that

When you look through all Stage 3 and Stage 4 vs threat fights, you will see they use this in nearly every first move They use it as a verification if the enemy is worth fighting personally, or if the enemy is dumb enough to kill himself just before the clash

It doesn't state it here

Laser Frogman's core

Creating a Laser Frog’s core is a last Laser Frogman’s resort for survivability. All memories and consciousness (brain) merge with most of Frogman laser energy (heart) to create an alive core, which teleports to a safe location automatically before an imminent death (doesn't matter if its by...

fcoc-vs-battles.fandom.com

This page is super outdated, though. Before it's updated, it mainly serves to represent how the core looks and tell minor details. The actual strengths of these resistances are fully described in this section of the Red Laser Manipulation page, where some about them can also be found on the F.Physiology page. Both of these pages are linked to each individual Frogman stage on the page, showing this applies to certain features of theirs.

This match really became max vs frogman huh lol

It still seems like a potent showdown of both's capabilities clashing to see which prevails + big shoutout to Vene for arguing for Frogman when I had 2-5 am here

Let me be the sixth vote for: Exhausted Golden Unit Hecate throwing Frogman's regenerating core into the sky like slimy FRA

 

[Javenplayz253]

It still seems like a potent showdown of both's capabilities clashing to see which prevails + big shoutout to Vene for arguing for Frogman when I had 2-5 am here

Let me be the sixth vote for: Exhausted Golden Unit Hecate throwing Frogman's regenerating core into the sky like slimy FRA

Max vs Jack boys... it's over