[R3M1] Asuna Kamakura & Javen vs Cobalt & Destiny Lightwood [GARCE]

[VeneficaAuthor]

Well, the exploding star things seems pretty likely, but other than that the duo definitely has a shot of winning a battle of attrition since destiny likely won't survive at this point, and cobalt doesn't have quite as much mental endurance as asuna nor clear enough feats of exerting herself for a week straight like javen, and asuna's social influencing helps him keep going too. Cobalt can definitely win if she's lucky but again whether or not she escapes to hyperspace seems iffy, which is why i suggested the battle of attrition in order to generalize all these scenario's we'd really kinda have to go with this especially if we can't agree on what will happen once javen starts using stars & explodes them, which im confident asuven will win in.

What if Cobalt and destiny go to Hyperspace almost instantly? depending on when Javen spawns a star, they totally could go as one of the first moves

 

[Rayfire]

What if Cobalt and destiny go to Hyperspace almost instantly? depending on when Javen spawns a star, they totally could go as one of the first moves

That doesn't sound like something cobalt would do though. Plus if javen spawns a star and makes it go nova, why not directly in front of them?

Cobalt also doesn't just go to hyperspace whenever she's up against a massively stronger opponent, otherwise she would have done this against nazo the second her scanner shattered. And if it's so spammable then why doesn't she do it against the blood sea soldiers for convenience? Plus it will be much harder for cobalt to go to hyperspace successfully once asuna uses amps when she's threatened by destiny's power, let alone destiny who would be further away and would be affected by time stop. Best case scenario is that only cobalt gets away before asuna & javen do various things to stop them with superior speed, since destiny can't really be near a star let alone a supernova, which still leaves cobalt herself at a disadvantage.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

That doesn't sound like something cobalt would do though. Plus if javen spawns a star and makes it go nova, why not directly in front of them?

Cobalt also doesn't just go to hyperspace whenever she's up against a massively stronger opponent, otherwise she would have done this against nazo the second her scanner shattered. And if it's so spammable then why doesn't she do it against the blood sea soldiers for convenience? Plus it will be much harder for cobalt to go to hyperspace successfully once asuna uses amps when she's threatened by destiny's power, let alone destiny who would be further away and would be affected by time stop. Best case scenario is that only cobalt gets away before asuna & javen do various things to stop them with superior speed, since destiny can't really be near a star let alone a supernova, which still leaves cobalt herself at a disadvantage.

Nazo was far from 4-A lol

Plus she did, it just needs to be moderated and she could handle them without that anyway

If Asuna is fighting destiny and cobalt just dips without her knowing I don't think there's anything she could do about it

 

[Rayfire]

Nazo was far from 4-A lol

Plus she did, it just needs to be moderated and she could handle them without that anyway

If Asuna is fighting destiny and cobalt just dips without her knowing I don't think there's anything she could do about it

Nazo was still wayyyyy stronger though

They don't really have a reason to take their eyes off cobalt though. Plus if the clones are turned off cobalt couldn't really fake it out anyway, and They have plenty of time to react to her moves with the speed amps.

And even if cobalt does go to hyperspace, somehow escaping from the heat of the quark-nova or massiva supernova or whatever javen decides to do, and come back, there's still not much she could do against [Playback] and [Fortune] Which will make plans harder to execute & reverse cobalts progress as well. All asuna & javen would need to do is wait out total spirit shield and defend (Which they have the methods to do) and then as soon as an opportunity opens up they are not gonna let cobalt get away again. So even in the best case scenario for cobalt it's not a guaranteed win, And asuna will still be making new moves too, so it's not like cobalt will eventually just get around the various stuff they can do that easily especially with time magic, and then it circles back around to mental endurance and how long they can fight again at that point

 

[Rayfire]

...We officially made it to 7 pages This is never gonna end at this rate, we should just generalise all these different situations by turning the point of focus to who can last longer once destiny goes out because of them nova's

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

...We officially made it to 7 pages This is never gonna end at this rate, we should just generalise all these different situations by turning the point of focus to who can last longer once destiny goes out because of them nova's

Her stamina is far higher than her previous key and she can dish out these super powered moves without too much drawback for a while. She can restore stamina in Hyperspace while clones fight (although they won't be able to do very complex plans at all), and she can also spend extra time using modification on her heat barriers and whatnot during that time. She could also potentially sever her feelings of being tired temporarily like how she can make herself immune to feeling pain

 

[Rayfire]

Her stamina is far higher than her previous key and she can dish out these super powered moves without too much drawback for a while. She can restore stamina in Hyperspace while clones fight (although they won't be able to do very complex plans at all), and she can also spend extra time using modification on her heat barriers and whatnot during that time. She could also potentially sever her feelings of being tired temporarily like how she can make herself immune to feeling pain

Severing the feeling would only be, well, temporary though, which would be useful in the short term, but it wouldn't do much in the long-term especially if she can't spam it. Asuna & Javen also don't necessarily need to go all out the entire time either, so they can save energy for the long run like cobalt could in hyperspace (Though again, it's unlikely she can escape it to it with the movement speed disadvantage and time magic, so this might not be a reliable strategy especially once Asuven know what it is).

Javen in particular would be really good at this considering he can exert himself for a week straight. Asuna doesn't really have any long-term feats so far, but she does have an extreme degree of supernatural willpower, and even when she gives a fight 1,000,000% she's not really tired afterwards. Plus in [Playback], she's in the 4th dimension, so she can have a couple dozens seconds to take a breather if she absolutely has to.

Asuna can support javens motivation with social influencing too to keep him going if need be, which also helps.

Javen could also definitely use his imagination manifestation to make a super potent energy drink or something to keep him & asuna going too, which will be a massive help as well especially in the long run where all 3 combatants need to stay awake, So this would be another option for that alongside supernatural willpower

 

[SSB64]

What if Cobalt and destiny go to Hyperspace almost instantly?

Similar to what Rayfire said before, it's unlikely she'd do that, especially since she didn't do that when, in the previous Round, her scanner broke against Nazo and Shadic, and yet despite that, she still didn't immediately go into Hyperspace.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Severing the feeling would only be, well, temporary though, which would be useful in the short term, but it wouldn't do much in the long-term especially if she can't spam it. Asuna & Javen also don't necessarily need to go all out the entire time either, so they can save energy for the long run like cobalt could in hyperspace (Though again, it's unlikely she can escape it to it with the movement speed disadvantage and time magic, so this might not be a reliable strategy especially once Asuven know what it is).

Javen in particular would be really good at this considering he can exert himself for a week straight. Asuna doesn't really have any long-term feats so far, but she does have an extreme degree of supernatural willpower, and even when she gives a fight 1,000,000% she's not really tired afterwards. Plus in [Playback], she's in the 4th dimension, so she can have a couple dozens seconds to take a breather if she absolutely has to.

Asuna can support javens motivation with social influencing too to keep him going if need be, which also helps.

Javen could also definitely use his imagination manifestation to make a super potent energy drink or something to keep him & asuna going too, which will be a massive help as well especially in the long run where all 3 combatants need to stay awake, So this would be another option for that alongside supernatural willpower

I mean modification can be used to increase the length and effectiveness of it. She’s super smart so I’m sure she’ll use it wisely enough to still have a solid shot, even for when she has to go out of hyperspace for a brief time eventually. She should also be able to apply it for feelings of being sleepy too, so if she just goes back and fourth with it that can also be pretty helpful

 

[Rayfire]

I mean modification can be used to increase the length and effectiveness of it. She’s super smart so I’m sure she’ll use it wisely enough to still have a solid shot, even for when she has to go out of hyperspace for a brief time eventually. She should also be able to apply it for feelings of being sleepy too, so if she just goes back and fourth with it that can also be pretty helpful

Thats true, but she has to focus on everything else too like upgrading her actual combat stuff, so it definitely won't be as fast. We've also never seen how cobalt performs without food or water for this long, and without any sort of self-sustenance, this isn't something that just "Ignoring" would be enough for. Cobalt may not feel tired, but she is a human, and her body will still have less energy to work with. So unless she gets asuna-level willpower she won't be able to hold on for much longer if this happens.

Meanwhile asuna & javen don't really have to worry about this. Javen can use his imagination manifestation for the op energy drink, but also for food & water so they dont need other types of self-sustenance either. this sort of thing is definitely not out of his scope. So if anything they would be better off since they'd be way more active than usual as well.

 

[SSB64]

we should just generalise all these different situations by turning the point of focus to who can last longer once destiny goes out because of them nova's

Asunaven FRA.

 

[SSB64]

If Destiny is taken out and the remainder of both sides have ways of going forever, Asunaven get the Technical Win by default.

 

[Rayfire]

On one hand i feel it might still be slightly early to vote... but on the other hand i got my mathematics exam in a couple hours so Asuna & Javen use the power of friendship FRA

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Well, you can’t say I didn’t try. I guess there’s nothing left to say that wouldn’t just spawn another back and forth about this. Asuna and Javen simply have higher odds of winning.

Asunaven FRA

 

[Rayfire]

Holy s##t, @Javenplayz253 we did it... we beat cobalt...

 

[Rayfire]

Also, hats off to vene for debating for so long lol, your persistence and will matches mine

 

[SSB64]

Holy s##t, @Javenplayz253 we did it... we beat cobalt...

Asuna: Stand proud, Cobalt. You have come the closest anyone has to defeating me.

 

[Javenplayz253]

Well, you can’t say I didn’t try. I guess there’s nothing left to say that wouldn’t just spawn another back and forth about this. Asuna and Javen simply have higher odds of winning.

Asunaven FRA

Oh damn we did it huh?

Stars of will fra (javen and asuna)

 

[Rayfire]

Thats grace, so this can be added But i aint doin that yet

 

[LeoEpicGamer8910]

Oh damn we did it huh?

No, you didn't do it, Rayfire did.

 

[Rayfire]

No, you didn't do it, Rayfire did.

Nah bro, Javen played his role too at the very least, he confirmed that star stuff is something Javen does & also gave me a couple of ideas like with the clones

 

[SSB64]

Nah bro, Javen played his role too at the very least, he confirmed that star stuff is something Javen does & also gave me a couple of ideas like with the clones

I'm guessing that a major reason why Asunaven were able to clutch the win is due to those speed amps? :O

 

[Rayfire]

I'm guessing that a major reason why Asunaven were able to clutch the win is due to those speed amps? :O

Vene seemed to think that cobalt could still keep up with both of them, so while it helped it wasn’t really important, it was more like how the heat of star shenanigans would vaporize cobalt incomprehensibly quickly once Javen whipped it out plus this is a very situational fight, so it came down to mental endurance and defensive capabilities rather than speed or anything.

 

[SSB64]

Vene seemed to think that cobalt could still keep up with both of them, so while it helped it wasn’t really important, it was more like how the heat of star shenanigans would vaporize cobalt incomprehensibly quickly once Javen whipped it out plus this is a very situational fight, so it came down to mental endurance and defensive capabilities rather than speed or anything.

Ah. Okay then. Just making sure.

 

[VeneficaAuthor]

Vene seemed to think that cobalt could still keep up with both of them, so while it helped it wasn’t really important, it was more like how the heat of star shenanigans would vaporize cobalt incomprehensibly quickly once Javen whipped it out plus this is a very situational fight, so it came down to mental endurance and defensive capabilities rather than speed or anything.

Just because a 5 times difference isn’t impossible for someone of cobalts caliber of fighting to overcome, since she’s fluid enough to overcome blood sea soldiers even when outnumbered (and no clones). That skill is a large reason why this still ended up close. But even cobalt is far from the most skilled fighter in the verse

 

[Rayfire]

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