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Goku didn't train in HBTC, it was only Vegeta who trained in HBTC, so it is inaccurate. The wordings need to be changed to something like Pre/Post-Mafuba Learning or something like that for Goku instead.
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Finally fixing super manga Goku and Vegetas profile's
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Vietthai96
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well i think i'm going to add scan first, you guy feel free to discussing more if needed
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But they did get stronger each arc
It's how we do things for the anime Goku as well and how we do profiles in general as stated above in the rules
"Key: For characters who have transformation stages/power-ups or who become stronger through certain points of the story, insert those transformations/power-ups/timelines here in bold."
Vietthai96
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but it extreme long and unnecessary, thus we choose what relevant. If i blindly follow that "rule" then and should split the profile into over 10 tabs because there are so many certain point in time they get stronger than before, like.....they are saiyan they stronger after each battle and training, and they did this countless time. Any way let me add scan first before anything else, i forgot to do this before.
Edit: Also do you have more scan for ToP Saga
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Oh well he is still in the same tier it doesn't matter
Like what? That makes no sense, look at anime gokus profile
"Attack Potency: Universe level (As a Super Saiyan God, fought with a suppressed Beerus, and their clash both shook and was about to destroy the universe from its edge. Absorbed Super Saiyan God's power and became even stronger. Managed to overcome Beerus' energy nullification as a Super Saiyan, which easily nullified energy capable of destroying the universe. Destroyed a superior amount of energy that was going to destroy the universe with a single punch in his base form. Later became much stronger by training with Whis and unlocking Super Saiyan Blue) | Universe level (Significantly grew in power over several years of training. Capable of enhancing his strength tenfold with Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x10) | Universe level (Comparable to Vegeta at this time, who managed to dominate Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black after training extensively. Stalemated a stronger Hit with just Super Saiyan Blue, without using Kaio-ken. Also capable of maintaining Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x20)"
"Key: Battle of Gods Saga/Resurrection of F Saga | Universe 6 Saga | Future Trunks Saga/Universe Survival Saga (Pre-Ultra Instinct -Sign-)"
Same tier but he has different keys, because he gotten stronger
Like what? That makes no sense, look at anime gokus profile
"Attack Potency: Universe level (As a Super Saiyan God, fought with a suppressed Beerus, and their clash both shook and was about to destroy the universe from its edge. Absorbed Super Saiyan God's power and became even stronger. Managed to overcome Beerus' energy nullification as a Super Saiyan, which easily nullified energy capable of destroying the universe. Destroyed a superior amount of energy that was going to destroy the universe with a single punch in his base form. Later became much stronger by training with Whis and unlocking Super Saiyan Blue) | Universe level (Significantly grew in power over several years of training. Capable of enhancing his strength tenfold with Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x10) | Universe level (Comparable to Vegeta at this time, who managed to dominate Super Saiyan Rosé Goku Black after training extensively. Stalemated a stronger Hit with just Super Saiyan Blue, without using Kaio-ken. Also capable of maintaining Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x20)"
"Key: Battle of Gods Saga/Resurrection of F Saga | Universe 6 Saga | Future Trunks Saga/Universe Survival Saga (Pre-Ultra Instinct -Sign-)"
Same tier but he has different keys, because he gotten stronger
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Do you know that DBZ he jump tier with each key?????, that why it guarantee to have key
Do you also know that this guy each key he have new abilities that worth mentioning, and his rating is all 3-A thus with Low 2-C in the later. which make all the section extremely short
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I suppose that last comment Spinoirr made makes sense to me.
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Universe 6 arc: they have trained for 3 years in the time chamber and grew stronger and showed off ssj blue for the frist time in the manga
Future trunks arc: they are shown training off screen and Vegeta trained in the time chamber for a year and Goku trained to learn the mafuba and got mastered ssj blue
ToP: Goku got power stressed ssj blue and ultra instinct, Vegeta got ssj blue evolution and Goku and Vegeta are started as equals in power in base and blue when in the black arc Vegeta was stronger then Goku without perfected ssj blue because he trained for a year in the time chamber while Goku didn't
That's why they need separate keys
Future trunks arc: they are shown training off screen and Vegeta trained in the time chamber for a year and Goku trained to learn the mafuba and got mastered ssj blue
ToP: Goku got power stressed ssj blue and ultra instinct, Vegeta got ssj blue evolution and Goku and Vegeta are started as equals in power in base and blue when in the black arc Vegeta was stronger then Goku without perfected ssj blue because he trained for a year in the time chamber while Goku didn't
That's why they need separate keys
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This one I meant
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So would you prefer new keys for every single storyarc then, even if no jumps in tiers were involved?
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yes, but Goku and Vegeta not jump tier, it is unknowningly higher degree into 3-B. In DBZ Goku jump tier in each key after he train and unlock his newer form. With DBS anime despite he also not jump tier until ToP, his abilities is noteworthy in each key
They doesn't need too many key like this, i already convey this in Goku profile, i will do the same with Vegeta profile tomorrow
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Not sure how it is meant by "every single story arc", but Universe 6 did have Vegeta get stronger than he was in RoF; even if it's not a tier jump, he still appears to be stronger within the same tier if he trained for 3 years. Usually there's a tier for each season, though it's often more based off each time they did some serious training end or demonstrated getting much stronger than last time.
Again, I'm not knowledgeable on the manga version, but the key split being consistent to how the Anime Versions are treated still makes sense to me.
Again, I'm not knowledgeable on the manga version, but the key split being consistent to how the Anime Versions are treated still makes sense to me.
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We can't use Anime version as an example cuz Anime are so different, it also got mix of form and saga within itself
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Well....if you prefer DDM method then i have nothing to say, but i think you should ask other to re-edit profiles, i spend many time on them so i probably not do again just to undo my work
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They literally train in the manga and anime so there is some difference but some similarities too
Like how both in anime and manga they train for 3 years in the time chamber in the universe 6 arc, how Vegeta trains in the time chamber in the black arc while Goku learns the mafuba and how. Vegeta gets blue evolution and Goku gets UI and surpasses vegetas blue evolution
Like theses alone should give them new keys because they are getting stronger each arc like in the anime
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Okay. My apologies about that then.
Gilad, would you be willing and able to handle it in a properly organised manner?
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Well, it is your choice and you are staff. But considering me out as i don't want to deal with manga anymore after this, for a considerate amount of time
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On second thought, I just checked through the Vegeta and Goku Chou profile pages, and they seem to already have a sufficient number of statistics keys. Why do they need even more?
On second thought, I just checked through the Vegeta and Goku Chou profile pages, and they seem to already have a sufficient number of statistics keys. Why do they need even more?
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Vegeta at least needs the same keys as Goku
"Key: BoG - RoF Saga | Universe 6 - Future Trunks Saga | Universe Survival - Broly Saga | Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga | Granolah the Survivor Saga" as currently Vegeta has "Key: Battle of Gods Saga | RF - Broly Saga | Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga | Granolah the Survivor Saga" which somehow implies Goku is stronger then Vegeta as he has more keys, despite them both growing stronger each arc
maybe one more key to cover the universe 6 saga as they gotten stronger in the black arc as mentioned above, the rest of the keys should be fine
"Key: BoG - RoF Saga | Universe 6 - Future Trunks Saga | Universe Survival - Broly Saga | Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga | Granolah the Survivor Saga" as currently Vegeta has "Key: Battle of Gods Saga | RF - Broly Saga | Galactic Patrol Prisoner Saga | Granolah the Survivor Saga" which somehow implies Goku is stronger then Vegeta as he has more keys, despite them both growing stronger each arc
maybe one more key to cover the universe 6 saga as they gotten stronger in the black arc as mentioned above, the rest of the keys should be fine
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Oh yeah, I would usually try to avoid trying to add more than 6 keys on a single page I should mention.
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Well Goku from the super anime has 7 keys, so I don't see why not. The manga has more arcs then the anime does too
"Key: Battle of Gods Saga/Resurrection of F Saga | Universe 6 Saga | Future Trunks Saga/Universe Survival Saga (Pre-Ultra Instinct -Sign-) | Ultra Instinct -Sign- | Post-second Ultra Instinct -Sign-/Broly Saga | Third Ultra Instinct -Sign- | Ultra Instinct"
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What do you think about giving Vegeta the same number of keys as Goku, as a possible compromise solution?
What do you think about giving Vegeta the same number of keys as Goku, as a possible compromise solution?
Vietthai96
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I'm currently retire from DBS manga problem for a while, spending too many time with researching which way to edit profile the best and debate in this thread over the editting problem left me pretty tired and.....to be honest some frustration pent up. So i want to rest for a while and clear my head with helping some other verse and profile project before returning to DBS manga again.
So i'm really sorry, you can ask other for help, or wait for me if you can
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Possibly the end of week or next monday, around that time
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