Fight of Concept Destroying Low-Tiers: Ryougi Shiki vs Sayama Mikoto

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Ryougi Shiki vs Sayama Mikoto

Speed Equal
Base Shiki
The fight starts at 10 meters range.

Shiki gets her knife, prosthetic arm and sword.
Sayama gets Georgius, his physical enhancement charms and the wooden sword with Mukiti inside.

Which concept killer takes it?

 

[DontTalkDT]

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[Regidian]

I suppose it goes with who touch first

 

[DontTalkDT]

But who does?

 

[Regidian]

Well apparently except with georgius Sayama only have melee range when shiki have her katana who have 9 meter range and her prosthetic arm who have even more range.

Shiki have her combat clairvoyance and well she should be able to kill georgius if sayama try to use it so i think she have more chance to kill first

 

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Can she kill Georgius? It's basically a thing working without any concepts.

 

[Regidian]

Don't know since in fate we have different layer of concept not having all concept of the lower layer doesn't mean you don't have the one from the higher and her ability came from the higher one (it's why she have type2 concept manip)

If she can't kill the weapon itself she still should be able to kill the beam of the ranged atck

 

[DontTalkDT]

I mean... the beam also works without concepts. Georgius in general is designed to work without any concepts of the multiverse, since a concept destroying weapon needing concepts would not work for obvious reasons.

 

[TheUnshakableOne]

Does Shiki scale to King Hassan's hax/ability to force the concept of death on to a being you didn't have the concept?

If yes, would that help?

 

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If you give the concept destroying weapon a concept of death it would just destroy that concept, wouldn't it?

 

[Regidian]

Well the weapon is still have the concept of being a conceptual weapon technically, it's just that ut existence independantly of all other concept and well doesn't being able to affect NEP2 allow you to affect this since same principle?

 

[DontTalkDT]

Well the weapon is still have the concept of being a conceptual weapon technically, it's just that ut existence independantly of all other concept and well doesn't being able to affect NEP2 allow you to affect this since same principle?

Georgius is a physical object, so you can affect it by normal means. Just not by concept related means.
It actually probably does not have a concept of being a conceptual weapon. In Owari no Chronicle there is something more fundamental than (Type 2) concepts called "Will" (obviously not quite your standard every day will) and that is what Georgius is based on.

 

[Regidian]

Georgius is a physical object, so you can affect it by normal means. Just not by concept related means.
It actually probably does not have a concept of being a conceptual weapon. In Owari no Chronicle there is something more fundamental than (Type 2) concepts called "Will" (obviously not quite your standard every day will) and that is what Georgius is based on.

Oh then she still can kill the physical object

 

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Oh then she still can kill the physical object

Doesn't something need a concept of death for MEoDP to work? They "visualize the concept of death in others as lines" in others, no?
Also... can't Sayama likewise, you know, destroy her sword?