Maxeez
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Because it is possible to create lower dimensional spaces while not necessarily possible to purely create spaces on the same dimension as us, I think ?
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Fate - 9D Mooncell (Continuation of the closed CRT)
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I agree, it's up to the author and it's not absurd that the core creates the barrier in a lower dimension than itself, it's a story-related thing actually, looking at everything from a tier point of view can open up absurd paths.
Maxeez
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Does that answer your comment ?
Matter of fact, the barrier was described as cutting "up to the eighth dimension", implying that doing so is kind of trivial in the space in which it is. In that case, calling the recording medium "a higher dimensional existence" would mean that it is actually higher than said space, because if it was also 8D there would be no need to describe it as such : it would just be another existence in that 8D space.
Could you explain why exactly ? I don't really get it.
Maxeez
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Yeah, not to forget that the barrier is here to protect the recording medium, because without it anyone could just use it or merge with it as they please. Point is that this specific component is superior in existence to everything else within the MoonCell, which is why BB gained that higher dimensional perspective when she merged with it.
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why would it create a lower dimensional barrier when its whole purpose is to be the final defense for the core?
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I’m not gonna discuss in this thread much bc I feel at fault for the last thread. So I’ll just say this.
The moon cell core does govern over the moon cell. But only has the higher dimensional perspective over the near side and universe. The barrier, which is the reason the moon cell is considered 8d, is unreachable normally to the near side anyway. So this coupled with the fact we don’t know what Rani was referring to when she said “higher dimensional” (which with the least assumptions would just be the higher dimensional perspective rin was talking about 5 seconds before this scan) will result in this just not having enough merit.
The moon cell core does govern over the moon cell. But only has the higher dimensional perspective over the near side and universe. The barrier, which is the reason the moon cell is considered 8d, is unreachable normally to the near side anyway. So this coupled with the fact we don’t know what Rani was referring to when she said “higher dimensional” (which with the least assumptions would just be the higher dimensional perspective rin was talking about 5 seconds before this scan) will result in this just not having enough merit.
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Not everything else. Higher dimensional perspective verbatim doesn’t go over the far side, despite the core holding authority over that same far side.
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bro whether it creates a lower or equal dimension is not a refutation, a higher dimensional entity can create a lower dimensional entity or structure in itself
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what do you not understand? it can. why the hell should it though? that barrier is meant to protect the core. why the hell would it make its last defense an entire dimension below it? honestly this is a waste of my time. unfollowing this thread.
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I don't see why it would desperately protect itself with a degree-lower defense than it's actually capable of producing. Makes no sense.
Maxeez
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Verbatim ? Could you link me such statement ? Afaik it's just specified that she gained a higher dimensional perspective.
Re-read what I said, plus the barrier is supposed to be protecting it until there's a winner in the MoonCell holy grail war so there was initially no need to make it 9D. The MoonCell didn't predict that BB would take over enough parts of the MoonCell to bruteforce the barrier.
Because it would make sense for it to be on the same dimension as the winner of the war before opening the walls and granting them with the higher dimensional reward with the core.
Anyways, whatever is argued on this thread will be repeated over and over like last time so let's just wait for actual staff members to evaluate it
.Just put disagree, neutral, or agree for the reasons already mentionned.
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Maxeez
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Maybe because it is actually unable of doing so and is just a higher dimensional existence rather than power ?
Explained the rest of my ideas right above.
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LuciferX
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Can you provide the raw of the scan about 8 dimensions?
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isn't it in the cosmology blog
LuciferX
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It's eng translation. I asked for the raw.
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bro clearly you either have a problem with this 8D or you don't know about the universe, if you seriously have a question about 8D or if you think it's wrong open a crt about it and ask the admins who accept this, the purpose of this crt is already accepted 8D not to reinforce but to be able to go above 8D and again I say 8D is not my responsibility
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I just asked for the raw of a single scan? it doesn't matter whether it was accepted before. Can you?
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bro please stop derailing
LuciferX
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How is that derailing? It's important for this revision. 9D shit based on it.
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in depth I can't give you a proof for 8D or any proof that will satisfy you, for this you have to open a crt and ask the admins things I can show you things that are in scale
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This is eng translation. I already saw that. I asked for the raw? Just wanted to know what are the jap characters used in that sentence. Fate visual novels have massive mistranslations right?
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it's not just translation errors for fate it's a very rooted language japanese this is actually the english version of japanese but i don't have japanese, i can find it if i look a bit but instead it might be more informative if you ask an admin who knows like i said
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Neutral, leaning on agree this time
As some have mentioned the evidence seems little janky, so rather than making it outright 9D. We could keep the current rating but add likely higher, tho I'd be fine with the change either way.
Also nobody get Lucifer the scan, he'll continue derailing this by making the "translation is wrong" arguement and say dimensions should be actually translated to layers. Regardless if you agree or not, it would be pointless and irrelevant to discuss in this thread.
As some have mentioned the evidence seems little janky, so rather than making it outright 9D. We could keep the current rating but add likely higher, tho I'd be fine with the change either way.
Also nobody get Lucifer the scan, he'll continue derailing this by making the "translation is wrong" arguement and say dimensions should be actually translated to layers. Regardless if you agree or not, it would be pointless and irrelevant to discuss in this thread.
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Maxeez
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Yeah, anyways all the translators I could look for are saying the same thing. That is, the barrier cutting up to the eighth dimension which is clear enough and has been accepted a long time ago anyways (not to mention that a discussion rule has just been made about tier 1 nasu so we shouln't have to talk about it anymore).
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I agree (get staff already so I can go at it with the match ups)
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staff will make things interesting 
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When I opened the thread, I wrote to a few of them, but..staff will make things interesting
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“It’s too late now, but the real world and the near side of the moon are both operated as this observed universe. You understand so far?”
“On the other hand, the laws of the recorded universe are different. The perception of the recorded universe is over many dimensions…think of it as a higher dimensional existence.”
“The far side of the moon is fundamentally operated according to the laws of the recorded universe, not the observed universe.”
“BB has reached the Moon Cell. That fact alone is completely immovable. Having thus become a being of the recorded universe”
essentially the core has the same properties as the far side and that’s why it has the higher dimensional perspective. So it doesn’t look at the far side with it, just the observable universe (near side and universe)
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I agreed but ngl I'm too busy to engage in this thread time
This seems to be the main problem but we already know that the core is superior to the wall already so I don't think this should be a problem the only problem is to what extent
Ong tho
But we already know the core is superior to the wall so even if it created a 9D wall the same argument can be used because the core would still be superior the wall even if it made a 9D wall
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I won't have time to respond all everything here but I still agree it doesn't make sense that BB could perceive a 8D wall describe it and destroy it but not have higher dimensional perspective relative to the wall at that specific point in time.
Just to gain higher dimensional perspective later on even tho evidence suggest that she already had it given the fact that she performed those set feats
So she either didn't have higher dimensional perspective prior to that not even on the level of the wall itself or she did gained the core and gained a even higher dimensional perspective using the next scan talking the core being higher dimensional necessitating that she core is 9D
Just to gain higher dimensional perspective later on even tho evidence suggest that she already had it given the fact that she performed those set feats
So she either didn't have higher dimensional perspective prior to that not even on the level of the wall itself or she did gained the core and gained a even higher dimensional perspective using the next scan talking the core being higher dimensional necessitating that she core is 9D
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That's like saying it makes no sense for an MMA fighter to own bodyguards, even if he's capable of beating those bodyguards. It doesn't matter if the core is a dimension higher than the wall. As long as the wall is deemed strong enough to protect the core regardless of being weaker, then this isn't a good counter.
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Not the best argument. Mma fighters are unable to get fighters on their level for a good price. There are many other factors that go into hiring guards.
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What? The problem isn't that the mooncell is using something weaker to protect its core the problem is it is using something infinitely weaker. Thats like if the MMA fighter used drawings of bodyguards instead of actual body guards.
Anyways still neutral. Both side of the argument seems to make sense to me to a certain degree.
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