Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga

[CNBA3]

Ah if only...

Would not have made sense anyway.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Fairy Tail 100YQ Chapter 111 Translations
https://m angadex.org/chapter/99180070-7264-4840-9cf2-76580ebb7238/1

 

[AnimesFreak2]

How Natsu hasn't smashed that yet?

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https://cdn.**********.com/attachments/954875331242766397/991908899592613968/unknown.png

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Things to note about scaling

1. Dogramag is the weakest of the Dragon Gods, but still worthy enough to be called a Dragon God and is extremely strong compared to every other Dragon, such as Igneel, who can practically match the Acnologia who's equal to the Five Dragon Gods

2. When Dogramag died, his magic power created the Labyrinth, with this Labyrinth being his true power, and this Labyrinth continues to radiate Dragon God levels of power. Reminder! The Labyrinth being a result of his "true" power would mean his Dragon Form, not his Human Form. We especially know this since the second Dogramag was alive, he was in his Dragon Form. So his Dragon Form created the Labyrinth. This explains why someone like Suzaku couldn't break the walls, since he scales to casual Human Form Dragon Gods, not Dragon Form Dragon Gods. Still doesn't explain why Human Form Ignia can nuke em, but whatever

3. Dogramag states that he can't use his "Real Power" right after waking up. He says this right after deactivating his Dragon Form, so by being unable to use his "Real Power", he very likely means he can't use his Dragon Form's power right away. His Human Form isn't nerfed lower than what his Human Form normally is power wise. He's nerfed because he can only use his Human Form power right now

4. Dogramag researched and knows about Natsu's power and therefore thinks Natsu could be a good match for him

5. Base Natsu and Base Suzaku can tank hits from Dogramag just fine, but can't damage him at all. This is fine as it's Base Natsu and Base Suzaku, who we know are only casual Human Form Dragon God level

6. Base Suzaku can hurt Human Form Selene, but cannot hurt Human Form Dogramag, meaning Human Form Dogramag is more durable than Human Form Selene, but in terms of AP, he is weaker

So in general, nothing has been actually contradicted. As we know, Base Natsu and Base Suzaku are still nowhere near the full power of a Human Form Dragon God, they are only comparable to their casual levels of power, so them being unable to damage Human Form Dogramag makes sense. Not to mention Dogramag seems to be a defensive based fighter, so his defenses being way higher than his AP is consistent. The walls come from Dragon Form Dogramag's power, so them being unable to broken by Base Natsu and Base Suzaku also makes sense.

 

[Eseseso]

Things to note about scaling

1. Dogramag is the weakest of the Dragon Gods, but still worthy enough to be called a Dragon God and is extremely strong compared to every other Dragon, such as Igneel

2. When Dogramag died, his magic power created the Labyrinth, with this Labyrinth being his true power, and this Labyrinth continues to radiate Dragon God levels of power. Reminder! The Labyrinth being a result of his "true" power would mean his Dragon Form, not his Human Form. We especially know this since the second Dogramag was alive, he was in his Dragon Form. So his Dragon Form created the Labyrinth. This explains why someone like Suzaku couldn't break the walls, since he scales to casual Human Form Dragon Gods, not Dragon Form Dragon Gods. Still doesn't explain why Human Form Ignia can nuke em, but whatever

3. Dogramag states that he can't use his "Real Power" right after waking up. He says this right after deactivating his Dragon Form, so by being unable to use his "Real Power", he very likely means he can't use his Dragon Form's power right away. His Human Form isn't nerfed lower than what his Human Form normally is power wise. He's nerfed because he can only use his Human Form power right now

4. Dogramag researched and knows about Natsu's power and therefore thinks Natsu could be a good match for him

5. Base Natsu and Base Suzaku can tank hits from Dogramag just fine, but can't damage him at all. This is fine as it's Base Natsu and Base Suzaku, who we know are only casual Human Form Dragon God level

6. Base Suzaku can hurt Human Form Selene, but cannot hurt Human Form Dogramag, meaning Human Form Dogramag is more durable than Human Form Selene, but in terms of AP, he is weaker

So in general, nothing has been actually contradicted. As we know, Base Natsu and Base Suzaku are still nowhere near the full power of a Human Form Dragon God, they are only comparable to their casual levels of power, so them being unable to damage Human Form Dogramag makes sense. Not to mention Dogramag seems to be a defensive based fighter, so his defenses being way higher than his AP is consistent. The walls come from Dragon Form Dogramag's power, so them being unable to broken by Base Natsu and Base Suzaku also makes sense.

Does Natsu have 5-A durability now in base from tanking hits from Dogramug (alongside Suzaku)?

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Does Natsu have 5-A durability now in base from tanking hits from Dogramug (alongside Suzaku)?

We'll discuss that at the end of the fight, but so far, it's looking that way, yeah

Natsu's a tank confirmed

 

[Eseseso]

We'll discuss that at the end of the fight, but so far, it's looking that way, yeah

Natsu's a tank confirmed

Honestly, considering how much he tanks in the original series, I'm very surprised that his durability rating isn't way above his AP like it is for Erza and Luffy.

 

[CNBA3]

Still likely below as he is nerfed and lower DG.

 

[Eseseso]

We'll discuss that at the end of the fight, but so far, it's looking that way, yeah

Natsu's a tank confirmed

Seriously though, Pre-Elentear Natsu was tanking beatings from Aldoron, and now he's tanking hits from Dogramug.

And IIRC he was tanking hits from people well above him in the original series too.

 

[Eseseso]

Also, I kinda think we should remove the Limit Break keys, as that was just a one-time thing, and it isn't something they can normally access.

 

[Ovrhide]

Beautiful! One of my favorite covers. Selene looking stunning and Ignia be stunting.

 

[Ovrhide]

I’m very interested now in this plot now. Selene is going to add flavor to the cast if she joins:

 

[CNBA3]

Seriously though, Pre-Elentear Natsu was tanking beatings from Aldoron, and now he's tanking hits from Dogramug.

And IIRC he was tanking hits from people well above him in the original series too.

I wouldn’t be sure about tanking hits unless they are explicitly stated to be serious attacks, otherwise Batman would be Superman level durable In some iterations.

 

[Yoyco]

Seriously though, Pre-Elentear Natsu was tanking beatings from Aldoron, and now he's tanking hits from Dogramug.

And IIRC he was tanking hits from people well above him in the original series too.

For sure, same for Suzaku

I feel like DS in general have crazy endurance and durability, compared to their AP. Natsu and Suzaku this sequel have been tanking attacks above their own power for a while now, from weakened DGs to FP Human DGs.

Now their tanking attacks from a DG using material that they can't scratch as a weapon against them.

 

[CNBA3]

or that is just his standard durability as Selene said that he is just a dragon that is like a god which is much like the other DG and the later are equivalent in stats.

 

[Yoyco]

or that is just his standard durability as Selene said that he is just a dragon that is like a god which is much like the other DG and the later are equivalent in stats.

No one is talking about Dogramag's durability

 

[CNBA3]

No one is talking about Dogramag's durability

it is in relation to the material of the wall which they can't cut which is just related to his being, which they can't cut, and even being hit by that doesn't really mean much unless it is serious attacks.

 

[Yoyco]

it is in relation to the material of the wall which they can't cut which is just related to his being, which they can't cut, and even being hit by that doesn't really mean much unless it is serious attacks.

What you said made no sense

 

[CNBA3]

What you said made no sense

short term, being hit by attacks not meant to be serious is not that impressive.

 

[CloverDragon03]

Also, I kinda think we should remove the Limit Break keys, as that was just a one-time thing, and it isn't something they can normally access.

By that logic we should remove Natsu's Seven Fire Dragons Mode key as well

 

[Yoyco]

short term, being hit by attacks not meant to be serious is not that impressive.

That doesn't change the point of them tanking attacks above their own AP.

 

[Eseseso]

By that logic we should remove Natsu's Seven Fire Dragons Mode key as well

Touche.

Point dropped.

 

[CNBA3]

That doesn't change the point of them tanking attacks above their own AP.

Or that those attacks are not even above their own AP.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

Also, I kinda think we should remove the Limit Break keys, as that was just a one-time thing, and it isn't something they can normally access.

That same logic was brought up when we added the keys and that logic was rejected

 

[Yoyco]

Or that those attacks are not even above their own AP.

.....your joking

 

[CNBA3]

.....your joking

 

[Yoyco]

Okay cool to know your joking

 

[CNBA3]

Okay cool to know your joking

Like I said, I do not joke, I just use a character that best represents it in an awesome way, and proper response to those that goes off base.

 

[CNBA3]

I guess it depends on how you treat a character not trying. For example, just because Acnologia was stronger than everyone else in the original series, should we consider everything he did to be stronger than everything everyone else did? In that case Jellal would scale above every Spriggan attack since he could block one of Acnologia's attacks. But we saw him get rekt by August so this can't be true. It's possible that an Acno tier can produce attacks weaker than a spriggan tier if they are not trying. Attacks of that nature should scale in AP to the established defense of the characters withstanding them, not the other way around since the AP of their low effort attacks does not necessarily come anywhere near their full power.

That and also character for speed like Jellal managed to both intercept and dodge attacks from Acno in both his human and dragon mode at point blank

 

[Eseseso]

After this fight ends we may need to do some major dura revisions for Natsu.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

I guess it depends on how you treat a character not trying. For example, just because Acnologia was stronger than everyone else in the original series, should we consider everything he did to be stronger than everything everyone else did? In that case Jellal would scale above every Spriggan attack since he could block one of Acnologia's attacks. But we saw him get rekt by August so this can't be true. It's possible that an Acno tier can produce attacks weaker than a spriggan tier if they are not trying. Attacks of that nature should scale in AP to the established defense of the characters withstanding them, not the other way around since the AP of their low effort attacks does not necessarily come anywhere near their full power.

Of course we understand not every attack a character uses is full power. We need consistency. But as of late, Base Natsu has consistently tanked attacks from multiple different Human Form Dragon God level people, so it’s becoming more valid

After this fight ends we may need to do some major dura revisions for Natsu.

“We”

He thinks he’s part of the process

 

[CNBA3]

Of course we understand not every attack a character uses is full power. We need consistency. But as of late, Base Natsu has consistently tanked attacks from multiple different Human Form Dragon God level people, so it’s becoming more valid

“We”

He thinks he’s part of the process

But considering that those human DG were not even intending on using their full power either whether personally or by orders, it makes sense that they don’t scale to full DG level until they have actually been pushed to the point.

 

[Eseseso]

Of course we understand not every attack a character uses is full power. We need consistency. But as of late, Base Natsu has consistently tanked attacks from multiple different Human Form Dragon God level people, so it’s becoming more valid

“We”

He thinks he’s part of the process

What are you, a 76er fan?

 

[Eseseso]

But seriously, Natsu took hits from Iron Scale Gajeel, who should be 3x above Natsu's base, he took hits from Laxus many times, he took hits from Yokai Lucy who was 3x stronger than him, and now he's tanking hits in Base from Aldoron and Dogramug.

His durability is WAY above his AP.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

But seriously, Natsu took hits from Iron Scale Gajeel, who should be 3x above Natsu's base, he took hits from Laxus many times, he took hits from Yokai Lucy who was 3x stronger than him, and now he's tanking hits in Base from Aldoron and Dogramug.

His durability is WAY above his AP.

Stop, just stop, if you make a CRT about this, I will ignore it

 

[CNBA3]

But seriously, Natsu took hits from Iron Scale Gajeel, who should be 3x above Natsu's base, he took hits from Laxus many times, he took hits from Yokai Lucy who was 3x stronger than him, and now he's tanking hits in Base from Aldoron and Dogramug.

His durability is WAY above his AP.

I think the difference is the former is they had no reason to hold back, while the DGs are just playing around.

 

[DemonGodMitchAubin]

But considering that those human DG were not even intending on using their full power either whether personally or by orders, it makes sense that they don’t scale to full DG level until they have actually been pushed to the point.

They were all holding back though. Suzaku's basic attacks could do serious damage to Natsu if he's not using his dragon scales. Same basic attacks from Suzaku can't damage the walls or Dogramag. That means any attack that can break the labyrinth material like Ignia's flame pillar or Dogramag's hand swipe this chapter should also do significant damage to Natsu. Only reason I can see for Natsu and Suzaku "tanking" Ignia's attack while they can do damage to each other is that Ignia controlled his flames to not do as much damage to them as they did the walls. And Dogramag seems to be holding back as well when he actually attacks them (especially since he can't kill Natsu).

Or Dogramag is just a durable dude… Also like we’ve said many times, Base Suzaku scales to casual Human Form Dragon Gods, he only scales above their full power with his Ayss Art

 

[CNBA3]

Or Dogramag is just a durable dude… Also like we’ve said many times, Base Suzaku scales to casual Human Form Dragon Gods, he only scales above their full power with his Ayss Art

supposedly with how Selene said that humans can't hurt a Dragon God, and how she would let him beat her and how their stats are equal, so part we have not seen any reference to the material being special as his human form does not have that on him either.

 

[Eseseso]

Stop, just stop, if you make a CRT about this, I will ignore it

I wasn't even planning on making one until the fight ended.

 

[AnonymousBlank]

I wasn't even planning on making one about this until the fight ended.

FTFY