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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga

CNBA3 said:
When it comes out, it arrives precisely when it needs to
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Things to note about scaling

1. Dogramag is the weakest of the Dragon Gods, but still worthy enough to be called a Dragon God and is extremely strong compared to every other Dragon, such as Igneel, who can practically match the Acnologia who's equal to the Five Dragon Gods

2. When Dogramag died, his magic power created the Labyrinth, with this Labyrinth being his true power, and this Labyrinth continues to radiate Dragon God levels of power. Reminder! The Labyrinth being a result of his "true" power would mean his Dragon Form, not his Human Form. We especially know this since the second Dogramag was alive, he was in his Dragon Form. So his Dragon Form created the Labyrinth. This explains why someone like Suzaku couldn't break the walls, since he scales to casual Human Form Dragon Gods, not Dragon Form Dragon Gods. Still doesn't explain why Human Form Ignia can nuke em, but whatever

3. Dogramag states that he can't use his "Real Power" right after waking up. He says this right after deactivating his Dragon Form, so by being unable to use his "Real Power", he very likely means he can't use his Dragon Form's power right away. His Human Form isn't nerfed lower than what his Human Form normally is power wise. He's nerfed because he can only use his Human Form power right now

4. Dogramag researched and knows about Natsu's power and therefore thinks Natsu could be a good match for him

5. Base Natsu and Base Suzaku can tank hits from Dogramag just fine, but can't damage him at all. This is fine as it's Base Natsu and Base Suzaku, who we know are only casual Human Form Dragon God level

6. Base Suzaku can hurt Human Form Selene, but cannot hurt Human Form Dogramag, meaning Human Form Dogramag is more durable than Human Form Selene, but in terms of AP, he is weaker

So in general, nothing has been actually contradicted. As we know, Base Natsu and Base Suzaku are still nowhere near the full power of a Human Form Dragon God, they are only comparable to their casual levels of power, so them being unable to damage Human Form Dogramag makes sense. Not to mention Dogramag seems to be a defensive based fighter, so his defenses being way higher than his AP is consistent. The walls come from Dragon Form Dogramag's power, so them being unable to broken by Base Natsu and Base Suzaku also makes sense.
 
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DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Things to note about scaling

1. Dogramag is the weakest of the Dragon Gods, but still worthy enough to be called a Dragon God and is extremely strong compared to every other Dragon, such as Igneel

2. When Dogramag died, his magic power created the Labyrinth, with this Labyrinth being his true power, and this Labyrinth continues to radiate Dragon God levels of power. Reminder! The Labyrinth being a result of his "true" power would mean his Dragon Form, not his Human Form. We especially know this since the second Dogramag was alive, he was in his Dragon Form. So his Dragon Form created the Labyrinth. This explains why someone like Suzaku couldn't break the walls, since he scales to casual Human Form Dragon Gods, not Dragon Form Dragon Gods. Still doesn't explain why Human Form Ignia can nuke em, but whatever

3. Dogramag states that he can't use his "Real Power" right after waking up. He says this right after deactivating his Dragon Form, so by being unable to use his "Real Power", he very likely means he can't use his Dragon Form's power right away. His Human Form isn't nerfed lower than what his Human Form normally is power wise. He's nerfed because he can only use his Human Form power right now

4. Dogramag researched and knows about Natsu's power and therefore thinks Natsu could be a good match for him

5. Base Natsu and Base Suzaku can tank hits from Dogramag just fine, but can't damage him at all. This is fine as it's Base Natsu and Base Suzaku, who we know are only casual Human Form Dragon God level

6. Base Suzaku can hurt Human Form Selene, but cannot hurt Human Form Dogramag, meaning Human Form Dogramag is more durable than Human Form Selene, but in terms of AP, he is weaker

So in general, nothing has been actually contradicted. As we know, Base Natsu and Base Suzaku are still nowhere near the full power of a Human Form Dragon God, they are only comparable to their casual levels of power, so them being unable to damage Human Form Dogramag makes sense. Not to mention Dogramag seems to be a defensive based fighter, so his defenses being way higher than his AP is consistent. The walls come from Dragon Form Dogramag's power, so them being unable to broken by Base Natsu and Base Suzaku also makes sense.
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Does Natsu have 5-A durability now in base from tanking hits from Dogramug (alongside Suzaku)?
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
We'll discuss that at the end of the fight, but so far, it's looking that way, yeah

Natsu's a tank confirmed
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Seriously though, Pre-Elentear Natsu was tanking beatings from Aldoron, and now he's tanking hits from Dogramug.

And IIRC he was tanking hits from people well above him in the original series too.
 
Also, I kinda think we should remove the Limit Break keys, as that was just a one-time thing, and it isn't something they can normally access.
 
Eseseso said:
Seriously though, Pre-Elentear Natsu was tanking beatings from Aldoron, and now he's tanking hits from Dogramug.

And IIRC he was tanking hits from people well above him in the original series too.
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I wouldn’t be sure about tanking hits unless they are explicitly stated to be serious attacks, otherwise Batman would be Superman level durable In some iterations.
 
Eseseso said:
Seriously though, Pre-Elentear Natsu was tanking beatings from Aldoron, and now he's tanking hits from Dogramug.

And IIRC he was tanking hits from people well above him in the original series too.
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For sure, same for Suzaku

I feel like DS in general have crazy endurance and durability, compared to their AP. Natsu and Suzaku this sequel have been tanking attacks above their own power for a while now, from weakened DGs to FP Human DGs.

Now their tanking attacks from a DG using material that they can't scratch as a weapon against them.
 
or that is just his standard durability as Selene said that he is just a dragon that is like a god which is much like the other DG and the later are equivalent in stats.
 
Yoyco said:
No one is talking about Dogramag's durability
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it is in relation to the material of the wall which they can't cut which is just related to his being, which they can't cut, and even being hit by that doesn't really mean much unless it is serious attacks.
 
CNBA3 said:
it is in relation to the material of the wall which they can't cut which is just related to his being, which they can't cut, and even being hit by that doesn't really mean much unless it is serious attacks.
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What you said made no sense
 
Eseseso said:
Also, I kinda think we should remove the Limit Break keys, as that was just a one-time thing, and it isn't something they can normally access.
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That same logic was brought up when we added the keys and that logic was rejected
 
Tohaku said:
I guess it depends on how you treat a character not trying. For example, just because Acnologia was stronger than everyone else in the original series, should we consider everything he did to be stronger than everything everyone else did? In that case Jellal would scale above every Spriggan attack since he could block one of Acnologia's attacks. But we saw him get rekt by August so this can't be true. It's possible that an Acno tier can produce attacks weaker than a spriggan tier if they are not trying. Attacks of that nature should scale in AP to the established defense of the characters withstanding them, not the other way around since the AP of their low effort attacks does not necessarily come anywhere near their full power.
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That and also character for speed like Jellal managed to both intercept and dodge attacks from Acno in both his human and dragon mode at point blank
 
Tohaku said:
I guess it depends on how you treat a character not trying. For example, just because Acnologia was stronger than everyone else in the original series, should we consider everything he did to be stronger than everything everyone else did? In that case Jellal would scale above every Spriggan attack since he could block one of Acnologia's attacks. But we saw him get rekt by August so this can't be true. It's possible that an Acno tier can produce attacks weaker than a spriggan tier if they are not trying. Attacks of that nature should scale in AP to the established defense of the characters withstanding them, not the other way around since the AP of their low effort attacks does not necessarily come anywhere near their full power.
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Of course we understand not every attack a character uses is full power. We need consistency. But as of late, Base Natsu has consistently tanked attacks from multiple different Human Form Dragon God level people, so it’s becoming more valid
Eseseso said:
After this fight ends we may need to do some major dura revisions for Natsu.
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“We”

He thinks he’s part of the process
 
DemonGodMitchAubin said:
Of course we understand not every attack a character uses is full power. We need consistency. But as of late, Base Natsu has consistently tanked attacks from multiple different Human Form Dragon God level people, so it’s becoming more valid

“We”

He thinks he’s part of the process
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But considering that those human DG were not even intending on using their full power either whether personally or by orders, it makes sense that they don’t scale to full DG level until they have actually been pushed to the point.
 
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