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3 Months of training, remember everyone in FT basically trained for 3 Months
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Fairy Tail 100 Year Quest Discussion Thread: Post-Void Saga
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Not Team Natsu...
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Them losing the three months to train and the second origin shit was the stupidest story line. They took the easy route and it was beyond unsatisfying
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You right, you right
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It literally made zero difference, why are you so mad about it?
Base Natsu = Base Gajeel before 3 Month Training
Base Natsu = Base Gajeel after 3 Month Training
So even if they didn't get 2nd Origin, they would have been just as strong with the 3 Months of Training, so I don't see the issue
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But it wasn't earned.
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It's the principal of it.
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Never thought I'd see the day, an L take from MitchOh please
"Earned" as if it makes a difference
Smallest plot point to take issue with
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It literally makes 0 difference, it's not like Hiro was gonna show the 3 months of training anyways
2nd Origin re-introduced Jellal, Meredy, and Ultear, which is a W
So yeah, your complaint of it makes no sense because we lose and gain literally nothing if they had 3 months of off screen training, the end result is the same
2nd Origin re-introduced Jellal, Meredy, and Ultear, which is a W
So yeah, your complaint of it makes no sense because we lose and gain literally nothing if they had 3 months of off screen training, the end result is the same
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Again, your missing the point dude, knowing that strength was just handed to them is lame. It's a slap in the face to the people who did train. You can talk about what it introduced, but at the end of the day, that strength they got wasn't earned. And we're not being unreasonable for thinking that to be bad.
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Like Goku said during the BoG movie, 'It's not the strength that's the issue, it's what it took to get it and what that means'.
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People get handed strength in FT all the time...
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And I hate that just as much as I do this.
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Mitch my son I hate arguing with you cuz you're like a father to me so let's just leave it at that
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You didn't
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You attract no females and acquire no currency.
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I know
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Question, what proof do we have that Natsu was using Savage Dragon Fire during his fight with Acnologia?
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Man just called me his son and father in the same sentence
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To begin with, we know from Zeref what would trigger that: a major threat that could erase both his friends and the world as a whole. Acnologia falls under this.
In addition, Natsu was the only one whose attacks Acnologia actually bothered to dodge, even opting to tank Laxus’ attacks despite him being the next strongest among the group. Plus, Natsu withstands several attacks to the point that Acnologia himself was surprised that he couldn’t kill him.
None of this would be possible if this was just his base form.
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And I know he was amped by Wendy, but he was still injured and tired, wasn't he?
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My current scaling for new 100 YQ God Tiers compared to the OG verse in order ( top=strongest, further down the more weaker )
- ROST Dragon Form Acnologia
- ROST Human Form Acnologia/7 Fire Dragons Natsu
- Prime Dragon Form Dragon Gods/Prime Igneel
- BDSK/George/Current Natsu
- Prime Human Form Dragon Gods
- Nerfed Dragon Gods/Purgatory DF Natsu/Ignia Form Natsu
- War Arc Dragon Form Acnologia/Savage Dragon Fire Form Natsu
- War Arc Human Form Acnologia/Fairy Heart Zeref
- Pre Time Skip Dragon Form Acnologia/Tartoros Arc Rusty Igneel
- Pre Time Skip Human Form Acnologia/Igneel Mark Natsu/EOS DF Natsu
- Base Zeref
^ ( The igneel mark natsu/EOS DF and savage dragon fire form ones might be a little headcanon-ish territory but I can see arguments tbh )
- ROST Dragon Form Acnologia
- ROST Human Form Acnologia/7 Fire Dragons Natsu
- Prime Dragon Form Dragon Gods/Prime Igneel
- BDSK/George/Current Natsu
- Prime Human Form Dragon Gods
- Nerfed Dragon Gods/Purgatory DF Natsu/Ignia Form Natsu
- War Arc Dragon Form Acnologia/Savage Dragon Fire Form Natsu
- War Arc Human Form Acnologia/Fairy Heart Zeref
- Pre Time Skip Dragon Form Acnologia/Tartoros Arc Rusty Igneel
- Pre Time Skip Human Form Acnologia/Igneel Mark Natsu/EOS DF Natsu
- Base Zeref
^ ( The igneel mark natsu/EOS DF and savage dragon fire form ones might be a little headcanon-ish territory but I can see arguments tbh )
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I guess I'll review this, because why not
Also there's no such thing as Prime and Rusty Igneel, if anything Tartaros Igneel is stronger than "Prime" Igneel due to the higher Ethernano count in the x791
IMO, Overall it's not terrible but not great either, 6/10
This is fine although 7 fire Dragon mode Natsu is clearly above ROST human acno
Why is igneel up here? He's weaker than these guys also Prime Igneel isn't even a thing which I'll talk about further down in the list
These guys are to high, Also Georg is stated far stronger than the BDSKs so he would be above them
These guys are way to low also Dragon Acno is 100% stronger than this Natsu
FH Zeref is on the level of SDFF Natsu sh he should be in that tier
Pre time Skip Acno is kinda featless as he was using like some incredibly minuscule percentage of power on anyone besides igneel who he actually tried against.
Also there's no such thing as Prime and Rusty Igneel, if anything Tartaros Igneel is stronger than "Prime" Igneel due to the higher Ethernano count in the x791
Pre Time skip human form Acno doesn't even exist
Base Zeref should technically be above EOS DF Natsu as he didn't think that would be enough to beat him, but he could just be talking about it because of his immortality.
IMO, Overall it's not terrible but not great either, 6/10
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Ye
Yep
Igneel waaaayyyy too high, there is no Prime Igneel, that's some massive wankery, Igneel in general belongs below FH Zeref
Ok
Ok
Weakened Aldoron is above Human Form Dragon Gods and so would Half Power Merc
Waaaaaayyyy too low, deserves to be much higher
Ok
Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, maybe
Sure
Ye
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- Eh I wouldn't be too sure tbh since Acnologia was paralyzed by motion sickness and Fairy Sphere in that moment. I think had he been able to fight back they would be about equal or Natsu stronger somewhat. So more like 7FD Natsu>=ROST Human Acno. Does that make sense?
- Prime Igneel power was directly compared to 100 YQ DF Natsu who beat Aldoron and this is even accepted on his profile
- I mean, not really. BDSK>=Human Selene. Also I just put George there to lessen the categories
- Low? If anything I think I put them pretty high tbh. I don't think they're ROST level just yet but I can see it soon. Def above any Acno that isn't ROST easily
- How? SDFF Natsu one shot FH Zeref
- I mean he stated to be above everyone and that he could rule the world and literally soloed the world in an alternate timeline
- bruh what? It outright confirmed igneel weaker lmao.
- I mean technically he does, we just never got to see human form acno till the war arc. Does that make sense?
- if we talking fight to the death sure but remove immortality Natsu stomps since DF Natsu is equal to or stronger than his Igneel Mark form
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- Idk Prime Igneel=100 YQ DF Natsu who way above FH Zeref in stats
- Really? I mean Human Selene was stated stronger due to retaining her OG power was she not? Plus outright has better feats?
- How so? ( for SDFF and War Arc DF Acno )
- Honestly I am still not convinced Acno was holding back against Igneel tbh.
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Yeah, he was amped but he wasn’t healed at all aside from actually being able to use his burned arm
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Prime Ingeel does equal 100YQ DF Natsu yeah, but this Natsu isn't way above FH Zeref, I have no idea where you got that from
Yes, Selene in general was stated to be stronger because she retains her Original Power, but that's not referring to her Human Form, the statement is referring to her Dragon Form, which is her Full Original Power. Just because Selene happens to be in her Human Form when Merc says she has her original power intact does mean at all that Weakened Aldoron<Human Form Selene. We had a CRT debunking this very flawed notion. What Merc is saying here is that Full Power Selene>Weakened Aldoron, he doesn't mean specifically Human Form Selene
Scaling way above Weakened Aldoron and Ignia's Power Natsu
Well it's said Igneel didn't truly challenge him, so yeah...
Nah he ain't man... People take this fight completely out of context, it's never stated or implied Igneel got weaker. The whole reason he went to the future in the first place is that he lost his soul to Acnologia, meaning Acnologia already negged his ass in this "Prime" state that flat out doesn't exist and because he needed to go to a time overflowing with Ethernano so the Dragons would be stronger.
All it's said is that Igneel used the last of his strength to fight Acnologia, that statement doesn't say he was weakened, it says that he used everything he had in him to take down Acnologia before he died. By the last of his strength, Metalicana is literally referring to how this is Igneel's last fight as he is going to die
Igneel saying he woke up from a long nap is just copium for him losing. This statement does not imply a massive weakening at all, and even then, we know Igneel = 100YQ DF Natsu, who is slightly above Weakened Aldoron, who I would say is still probably weaker than Pre-SBT Acnologia
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You don't get thrown around, get your face dragged across the ground, get knocked unconscious momentarily, get your arm torn off by someone and then state they didn't challenge you. The sounds just as much copium as your applying to Igneel's statement about still waking up. We also have no clue how their first fight went. Saying Igneel's statement is copium is hella headcanon, we have no evidence he is lying.
And doesn't like magic get created by something super natural flow something interacting with your soul or spirit, so if his soul was sapped or partially stolen, it might stand to reason he couldn't use magic as well as he could. So unless there is a statement he had fully healed, the context we seem to be missing implies a not 100% Igneel pushed Acno to a extreme diff fight
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Sorry, that's just how it goes, Zeref doesn't bullshit and stands no gain from lying, so yeah, Acnologia wasn't truly challenged by Igneel
I mean the evidence is he got his ass beat before and after the 400 Year Gap
I mean the whole point he came to the future was to be stronger than 400 years ago and him coming out in Tartaros is specifically meant to be the right time
It's flat out stated ethernano levels are way higher than they were back 400 years ago, so Igneel was likely stronger
I'd be willing to say 400 Years ago Igneel and Tartaros Igneel are equal and practically equal to Acnologia as well, but this idea that he has a Prime State that is far stronger than his state in Tartaros is completely unsupported
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I'm not really making the argument about a hypothetical prime Igneel, I'm saying you applying copium to Igneel about him tiring out and waking up from a nap has no grounds. The fight speaks for itself, they both swap blows, then both go above the clouds where they fight seriously. That ends with Igneel straight up knocking Acno out for a few minutes. Then round 2 happens and Igneel basically states he is tiring and starts losing.
You basically said it yourself, if Acnologia is 100, a healthy Igneel is a 99
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I can agree to that, but man, I really gotta ask Acnologia WTF he see's as a challenge?
Like what does Acnologia need to be truly challenged? Losing both arms?
Acnologia does laugh at Igneel and doesn't take him seriously, it's possible that he underestimated Igneel and was caught off guard
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Zeref made that statement, not Acnologia. And we can't ask either cuz their both ******* dead.
We got so much hype about Acno and he only has one prolonged fight in the entire series and that's when he get knocked out and maimed. The fight between him and Natsu should've been way longer.
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Yep, it's a shame we really never saw him go all out
At least the Anime fight was a spectacle
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1. Prime Igneel=100 YQ DF Natsu is literally accepted on his profile due to Aldoron's statement what u mean "Where I got that from?"
and Current DF Natsu>>>Weakened GS Aldoron>>>FH Zeref 2. Hmm, Idk felt like it was talking about Human Selene ngl but let's just keep reading for now since it seems like either A. BDSK gonna get reconned. B. Ignia got jacked in secret and surpassed the whole "DG are equal limit"
3. Nah. DG even in their nerfed states should clap War Arc Acnologia by feats tbh
4. I think Benshapiro put it into good wording for me on that one
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Acnologia supposedly never going all out in the entire series ticked me off bruh
Like after all that hype.....
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Dude, dude, we worked it out. I hate it when my two sons fight.1. Prime Igneel=100 YQ DF Natsu is literally accepted on his profile due to Aldoron's statement what u mean "Where I got that from?"
2. Hmm, Idk felt like it was talking about Human Selene ngl but let's just keep reading for now since it seems like either A. BDSK gonna get reconned. B. Ignia got jacked in secret and surpassed the whole "DG are equal limit"
3. Nah. DG even in their nerfed states should clap War Arc Acnologia by feats tbh
4. I think Benshapiro put it into good wording for me on that one
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