Experiment: Koishi Komeiji vs Wilhelm Ehrenburg

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Not using it in character unless you bloodlusting it, Koishi bloodlusted so she will use it anytime, 50/50 tho, using it at first or save for surprise.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Still, I doubt she can bypass his resistance.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I know, that's why i gonna wait or ask someone.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Just asking Saikou-chan about soul stuff but it seems too vague.

This tells me it is not really impresive.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Well he just know Koishi have soul stuff earlier so not best guy to ask.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I dunno Now, count my vote >:V

 

[PaxCruento]

You do know that consciousness - whether active or passive deals with the mind and perception, right?

Just because her passive nature affects the subconscious, doesn't mean it will effect Wihelm's subconscious, because he has dealt with far stronger mind hax.

It's all mindhax, some of it is just passive due to her nature as an imaginary friend - but it is still mindhax.

Except it's not mindhax, it's physiology. It doesn't directly affect Wilhelm, she exists in the subconscious. Seeing Koishi would be like seeing a stray thought on the same level as Id, Ego, and Superego.

@Veloxt1 Soul Manip in Touhou is mostly utilized by Tenshi ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtX1oSIdd2g), where she uses the sword to absorb souls and spirits to fire lasers. Komachi (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0c6ML0lWbQ) uses spirits as danmaku. Yuyuko shoots out spirits as well (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l4hh1gUbV4)

The only one Koishi was confirmed to fight with was Tenshi in Antinomy of Common Flowers, but there. How much resistance does Wil have?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

The resistance comes from how much soul you have, here Wilhelm has more than 10,000 i think? Can't remember it well.

 

[PaxCruento]

Does Resistance to Soul Manip stop Soul attacks?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Sure? Unless your soul stuff is greater than him then she can't bypass it because 10,000 soul.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Except it's not mindhax, it's physiology. It doesn't directly affect Wilhelm, she exists in the subconscious. Seeing Koishi would be like seeing a stray thought on the same level as Id, Ego, and Superego.

It stemming from her physiology is irrelvant.

Her physiology causes manfulctions in the subconscious of other beings - that's passive mindhax due to her nature.


Cthulhu has something similar in that people are driven mad just by looking at him because they can't understand his physiology - so it makes the mind crash and the viewer goes insane:

• Telepathy: Cthulhu has massive telepathic abilities that enable him to speak to individuals or groups of beings whether in their subconscious or conscious mind, this also enables him to devastate minds of mortals, though he may be able to apply this to immortal creatures.
• Mindmash: When mortals look at Cthulhu, they will go insane.
• Unconventional Composition: Cthulhu's body is composed of an unknown material similar to plasma, it is described as "tenebrous", "slobberingly", "gelatinous", and "greasily", giving him an incorporeal quality, as such he is capable of withstanding solar heat, as well as shapeshifting into the three states of matter: Solid, Gaseous, and Liquid. The mere fact that this full physical form is (presumably) in another plane of reality make this body undying and virtually immortal.

Methuselah is similar with his Pressure of Darkness:

• Pressure of Darkness: Methuselah is darkness itself. An ancient miracle that is beyond magic. His mere breathing, gaze and words overturn common sense. Everyone fears the dark, and even those who fully revel in it like Wilhelm are no exception due to it being a horrific concept. It's frightening to wander in the dark, even if it is the darkness of one night. And therefore, what happens when one touches his "mass", composed of thousands, ten thousands, decillions of recurrences of mystery of nights that are all infinitely equal? Spirit and mind collapses in the abyss. Half of the world crashed into a state of panic that day. Some suicides, some goes insane and some just cannot withstand the pressure of his divine authority they end up dying. Those swallowed by the wave of darkness are left with nightmares and curses for the future generation. Just hearing, reading and looking at the heritage of Methuselah will turn them mad, and even changing fetuses in a women wombs into Noah's children (albinos).

It's the same with Koishi except instead of making people go insane, she makes per presence unnoticeable.

However, any alteration or manipulation of the mind, due to her physiology or her actively trying to control Wilhelm's mind is meaningless unless it is higher-dimensional as he has the best 3-D mind manipulation resistence on the site.

Wilhelm will be able to notice her - there is no doubt.

 

[PaxCruento]

Her physiology is nonexistent and mental. She doesn't passively use subconscious manip, she's just like a thought, or the absence of thought given soul.

But none of that matters now. Alas, Koishi cannot bypass the mindresist and soulresist of Will. She has no more win conditions because she can't even get past his regent.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

And there we go, at least it goes well despite confirmed stomp in the end lel, and now i must owe Saikou-chan about it lmao

And because that i can make another match with Wilhelm, no spite feels okay

 

[PaxCruento]

I probably should've looks at Wil's profile more. This would've been over quicker.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Her physiology is nonexistent and mental. She doesn't passively use subconscious manip, she's just like a thought, or the absence of thought given soul.
But none of that matters now. Alas, Koishi cannot bypass the mindresist and soulresist of Will. She has no more win conditions because she can't even get past his regent.

Koishi's page should be updated.

We don't use physical, mental, and complete to describe non-existent physiology anymore.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I believe most of Touhou page need to be updated from what i check tbh, but Saikou-chan being lazy it seems :v

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

How did this went from Koishi winning to Wil stomping?

 

[PaxCruento]

I forgot about Wil's Soul Resist

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Vel mentioned that she has dealed with other characters with low-godly, how did she do that?

 

[PaxCruento]

A youkai has low-godly, and they can kill eachother.

But Koishi has never faced anyone with soul resistance, and every fight she has been in was a game.

 

[Akalavashimu]

so wil is able to perceive koishi and wil resist her soul manip now?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Btw a more better Wil match: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3074053

Koishi match will be later soon