Experiment: Koishi Komeiji vs Wilhelm Ehrenburg

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

-Koishi: 3 (Pax, Junko, Icarus)

-Wilhelm: 0

 

[Akalavashimu]

So wil gonna see some bullet and laser and not gonna notice? How is that work. We never seen her fight like that or ever been used in fight

 

[PaxCruento]

Koishi is bloodlusted. Also, the bullets and lasers don't exist as part of Koishi's identity so they won't automatically be hidden by her.

Everytime she's fought has been a spellcard duel, a game like lasertag and dodgeball. To her, This is a gunfight in comparison.

 

[Akalavashimu]

The part where toho wiki said she can only be sensed if dhe allows it where do they got it? Unlike the other statement that got some backup from symposium this one dont and thats maybe why its not in her profile here.

 

[PaxCruento]

She's a child playing a game with you. Why wouldn't she want you to see her.

 

[Akalavashimu]

If she can control it. It means she can touch other people and no one would notice her but if not that can means people will notice her the moment she interact with people

 

[Dvorak1902]

I guess Mindhax is off the table. Wouldn't the Danmaku just end out hitting Wilhelm's heart? I don't actually know how he acts in character.

 

[Akalavashimu]

In briah that would be a problem normal wil not a problem.

 

[Warren_Valion]

The soul's presence. Wil consciously perceives the soul like he consciously perceives the rest of the world right?
The soul is part of Koishi. When you've just met Koishi, you will not remember anything about her once you take your eyes off her. It's hard to even know if she exists unless you have indirect info like "Oh, she's Satori's sister."

Wilhelm is using soul sense, meaning he has to consciously perceive with a sense, albeit a new sense. You can't sense your subconscious. It's like trying to remember dreams you've forgotten.

From reading her profile, it looks to me that Koishi's being unperceivable and her nature of making you forget about her if you look away from her comes from her doing some mind manipulation stuff - which Wilhelm resists on a near infinitely greater level.

"Memory Manipulation (Can make people forget about her presence or even her existence if they've never seen her before, and people can't see her unless she wants to be see because of this),"

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

And here comes Warren ruining everything

 

[Warren_Valion]

And here comes Warren ruining everything

Dude, you really need to get over your dumb bias against Wilhelm.

Him having a high-loss record means absolutely nothing.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I don't care

 

[Warren_Valion]

I don't care

Seriously, it is puerile and annoying.

Stop it.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I said i don't care

But tbh this match goes well than i thought

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

I didn't really cared about this but just for that Imma debunk the posts and give reasons for why Wil wins

 

[Warren_Valion]

I said i don't care
But tbh this match goes well than i thought

IIRC, I'm pretty sure creating spite matches against a character is a bannable offense.

You don't want to get in trouble, do you?

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Oi, did you don't know the stripped word meaning i don't really serious? And this match goes well, how i make it in spite at first place?

 

[Warren_Valion]

Oi, did you don't know the stripped word meaning i don't really serious? And this match goes well, how i make it in spite at first place?

You say that, but you keep doing it.

There's a point where if you do something ironically for enough of a time, you realize that you are just doing the thing you found dumb enough to be ironic about in the first place.


Not to mention this quote from you isn't crossed out:

"Looks like Koishi can't win here, damn i want to Wilhelm lose more, imma close this soon."

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Expect its not serious? Like dude, if i'm that biased i already throw him to Yukari or Iwanagihime.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

I didn't really cared about this but just for that Imma debunk the posts and give reasons for why Wil wins

No you don't sir

Anyway waiting for Pax comment to see if what Warren said its true he need to clarified it

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Oh yes I will, just you wait till I get home >:v

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Eh, i'm gonna give you a time until Pax replying, after that you can do it :v

 

[PaxCruento]

Koishi's ability is tied to her existence as a Satori who closed off her eye. It is both active and passive, and the reason she's the only youkai in touhou with nonexistent physiology.

She changed her own physiology to be an undetectable, unconscious being by sealing the conscious parts of herself. She passively exists in the subconscious, but can actively manipulate subconsciousness to reveal herself to others.

It's only mindhax when she actively uses it as mindhax. When the fight starts, Wil needs to see the imaginary friend he forgot as a child to win.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Koishi's ability is tied to her existence as a Satori who closed off her eye. It is both active and passive, and the reason she's the only youkai in touhou with nonexistent physiology.
She changed her own physiology to be an undetectable, unconscious being by sealing the conscious parts of herself. She passively exists in the subconscious, but can actively manipulate subconsciousness to reveal herself to others.

It's only mindhax when she actively uses it as mindhax. When the fight starts, Wil needs to see the imaginary friend he forgot as a child to win.

You do know that consciousness - whether active or passive deals with the mind and perception, right?

Just because her passive nature affects the subconscious, doesn't mean it will effect Wihelm's subconscious, because he has dealt with far stronger mind hax.

It's all mindhax, some of it is just passive due to her nature as an imaginary friend - but it is still mindhax.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Can someone summarize what is Koishi winco, I haven't really been keeping up with this thread and I'm lazy to read everything.

Preferably if Vel does the summary, so I can quote his posts in my reasoning and make him watch Wil getting a wi

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Nah, too lazy to summaries it

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Do it or else..

 

[Warren_Valion]

Can someone summarize what is Koishi winco, I haven't really been keeping up with this thread and I'm lazy to read everything.
Preferably if Vel does the summary, so I can quote his posts in my reasoning and make him watch Wil getting a wi

I believe it is an AP advantage, and since she is a spiritual being and has killed beings with Low-Godly before - she would be able to kill Wilhelm.

Although I don't know if it bypasses Wilhelm's resistance to soul manipulation.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Yeah, it depend how potent soul stuff in Touhou, should we ask about it?

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

First we have to know how strong her soul manipulation is to determine if it is enough to deal damage.

AP is meaningless here since "lolbriah"+"lolgodlyregen"

 

[Warren_Valion]

Since the fight takes place in Berlin, that means that Wilhelm is near Gladsheimr and has Mid-Godly rege

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Lolgodlyregen is meaningless too since Koishi already fought the other fella Touhou characters who has low-godly regen, sound right about lolbriah but its 50/50 imo.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

How strong is her soul manip, depending on that the low godly would make it way harder for her to win.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Since the fight takes place in Berlin, that means that Wilhelm is near Gladsheimr and has Mid-Godly rege

I choose Berlin because i dunno how much cinematic locations/stages is :'v

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Well, until I get an answer I'll vote for Wilhelm.

First as Warren pointed the only reason she is undetectable is because Mind Manip wich he resist.

Second, he is not going briah ASAP but he will do it pretty fast, specially if this girl just smashes him with anything so from that point onwards Wilheml will just overwhelm her with his own danmaku+soul damage and becoming stronger every second untill there is nothing left of her Just inside him becoming more fuel for him

 

[TISSG7Redgrave]

Wil probs need to keep helga in doe cuz she'll probs be jelly

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Just asking Saikou-chan about soul stuff but it seems too vague, the other who pull massive feat are Yuyuko and Tenshi, the other is depending the potency and even so its not used in combat (not that problem tho since Koishi is bloodlusted here), so gonna ask the other who more known about it.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Bloodlusted doesn't mean using the hax first, it means killing it ASAP, wich considering the AP and Danmaku the soul hax (if she has any) won't come into play until she is inside the S U C C.

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

But then again bloodlusted mean she will use it despite being non combat.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Non combat applicable?

Still, I doubt she can bypass his resistance.