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Eida/Ada (Boruto) Vs Saitama (Opm)

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karo_senpaii said:
that should be a thread on its own coz her charm should work on someone like sasuke with layered resistance. but still someone with supernatural willpower could not resist eida charm
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Eida ain't going to use omnipotence or charm since this technique works on feelings and appears randomly and independently. And also if she's in character, she's going to trust her empathic manipulation and not going to use any kind of technique besides that.
 
S0ulaaaa said:
There's differences between opm and Naruto's willpower. You can look at OPM's willpower and limitler from there and it literally resists to empathic manipulation. So your assumption is completely wrong.
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there is no difference. those are just the feats people with supernatural willpower showcased hence why the page was created. shikamaru also has this and got folded. By the way on the page i don't see resistance to mind manipulation
 
S0ulaaaa said:
Eida ain't going to use omnipotence or charm since this technique works on feelings and appears randomly and independently. And also if she's in character, she's going to trust her empathic manipulation and not going to use any kind of technique besides that.
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no it works subconsciously. at any point that she feels she is about to die to saitama she would both subconsciously and consciously want to live. It would automatically kick in
 
karo_senpaii said:
saitama doesn't even have resistance to begin with
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He has ☠️
karo_senpaii said:
there is no difference. those are just the feats people with supernatural willpower showcased hence why the page was created. shikamaru also has this and got folded. By the way on the page i don't see resistance to mind manipulation
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Hey... If you click on the link I've sent, you'll be directed to a website explaining what willpower is in my article. There's also a section on empathic manipulation resistance. Do I really need to send a photo? Will you read what I've sent now?
 
S0ulaaaa said:
He has ☠️

Hey... If you click on the link I've sent, you'll be directed to a website explaining what willpower is in my article. There's also a section on empathic manipulation resistance. Do I really need to send a photo? Will you read what I've sent now?
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great. I don't see mind manipilation resistance though. and someone with supernatural willpower couldn't resist it
 
karo_senpaii said:
no it works subconsciously. at any point that she feels she is about to die to saitama she would both subconsciously and consciously want to live. It would automatically kick in
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This discussion is ridiculous, in the other thread garou take the victory because he had resistance to her hax. Saitama has the same resistances as him and more. This is a stomp, debating is useless. You clearly can't understand that the willpower in the opm verse has inherent resistances related to the amount of willpower the characters have, for that reason there is a separate page from the conventional willpower one. You are relating it to Shikamaru's which is absurd since he does not have the inherent resistance that I mentioned previously.
 
Wesker018 said:
This discussion is ridiculous, in the other thread garou take the victory because he had resistance to her hax. Saitama has the same resistances as him and more. This is a stomp, debating is useless. You clearly can't understand that the willpower in the opm verse has inherent resistances related to the amount of willpower the characters have, for that reason there is a separate page from the conventional willpower one. You are relating it to Shikamaru's which is absurd since he does not have the inherent resistance that I mentioned previously.
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whatever, this will be the last thing I'll say, if you want to know more check garou's thread, I already voted for saitama (for some reason they still don't count my vote)
 
 
Wesker018 said:
This discussion is ridiculous, in the other thread garou take the victory because he had resistance to her hax. Saitama has the same resistances as him and more. This is a stomp, debating is useless. You clearly can't understand that the willpower in the opm verse has inherent resistances related to the amount of willpower the characters have, for that reason there is a separate page from the conventional willpower one. You are relating it to Shikamaru's which is absurd since he does not have the inherent resistance that I mentioned previously.
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It's a good thing i wasn't part of the former thread. And that's not why garou won. He won coz of passive radiation manipulation something saitama doesn't have.
On the page you linked there is no resistance to mind manipulation.
 
Jirenoffical said:
It won't. His omnipotence did not work when Shikamaru resisted his empathy mani, why would it suddenly work for Saitama? It makes no sense.
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because shikamaru never tried to kill her? He wasn't even capable of killing her. What part of "saitama is about to kill her and because she would subconsciously not want to die so omnipotence would kick in" don't you understand?
 
Wesker018 said:
by the way, mind corruption is still mind manip, you can check it by clicking on it
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it isn't simply kick and read. The clear difference is that in corruption the control is independent of the power of the corruptee as opposed to mind manipulation. For example orochi has no cintrol on the taking over of the minds of people that eat his cells. The disticntion is clear
 
karo_senpaii said:
it isn't simply kick and read. The clear difference is that in corruption the control is independent of the power of the corruptee as opposed to mind manipulation. For example orochi has no cintrol on the taking over of the minds of people that eat his cells. The disticntion is clear
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The distinction does not matter, mind manip hax vs mind manip resistance, if all the verses were using that mental gymnastics that you are doing they would never conclude. Of course the verses use mental manipulation in different ways or if you want the character to show mental resistance exactly the same as Naruto's attacks, it doesn't make sense. 1 Layer vs 1 Layer, simple.
 
Corrupting minds is manipulating minds, since mind corruption by itself is not an independent hax on this website, in fact it does not exist, so in the current context, corrupting a mind is manipulating a mind.
 
Wesker018 said:
The distinction does not matter, mind manip hax vs mind manip resistance, if all the verses were using that mental gymnastics that you are doing they would never conclude. Of course the verses use mental manipulation in different ways or if you want the character to show mental resistance exactly the same as Naruto's attacks, it doesn't make sense. 1 Layer vs 1 Layer, simple.
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Vs battle literally went out of their way to separate corruption. It is not mind man hax, it is mind corruption hax. It's like saying time manipulation and time stop are the same. No mental gymnastics here, just fundamentslly different hax on wiki
 
karo_senpaii said:
Yeteneği yalnızca doğaüstü irade gücüne sahip biri üzerinde işe yaramıyor, aynı zamanda zihin manipülasyonuna karşı katmanlı dirence sahip biri üzerinde de işe yarıyor.
Eida'ya oy veriyorum. Saitama onu gördüğü anda onun büyüsüne kapılacaktır. Saitama asla karakter olarak gördüğü bir kızı basitçe silemez. Eğer bir mucize eseri direnip saldırırsa, Eida bilinçaltında ölmek istemeyecektir. sonuçta her şeye kadir olmanın devreye gireceği çeşitli senaryolar ortaya çıkıyor. İlgilenen varsa daha derine inebilirim
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Nothing like this has ever happened Amado's statement that sasuke and naruto will be affected by this does not mean that naruto and sasuke cannot resist, even someone with supernatural willpower resisted lmao

Also, SBA clearly states that Saitama will play directly to win, so an inevitable one-shot
 
Wesker018 said:
Corrupting minds is manipulating minds, since mind corruption by itself is not an independent hax on this website, in fact it does not exist, so in the current context, corrupting a mind is manipulating a mind.
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it's the same way tie stop is time manipulation but time manipulation is not time stop and resistance to time stop does not give you resistance to all versions of time manipulation
 
azizbengibi said:
Nothing like this has ever happened Amado's statement that sasuke and naruto will be affected by this does not mean that naruto and sasuke cannot resist, even someone with supernatural willpower resisted lmao

Also, SBA clearly states that Saitama will play directly to win, so an inevitable one-shot
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considering sasuke fell prey for omnipotence which is what her charm is based on i think amado was correct.
saitama in character doesn't just launch 4A punches at 17 year old girls and if he did omnipotence would kick in
 
That is because here there is a combination of two hax, corruption and mind manip, however mind corruption as such does not exist. For that reason, clicking the word mind takes you to the mind manip page and the other to the corruption page. The example that you gave of time stop is useless, let´s use anos voldigoad as a example, his time stop send you to the time manipulation page and nothing else, in the other hand this is divided into 2 different pages.
 
Wesker018 said:
That is because here there is a combination of two hax, corruption and mind manip, however mind corruption as such does not exist. For that reason, clicking the word mind takes you to the mind manip page and the other to the corruption page. The example that you gave of time stop is useless, let´s use anos voldigoad as a example, his time stop send you to the time manipulation page and nothing else, in the other hand this is divided into 2 different pages.
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it is not a combinaton of both. mind corruption is under "non physical" section of corruption
 
It doesn't matter, it's a type of mind manipulation. And supporting the argument said by azizbengibi, saitama will one shot according to SBA rules (he would go for the victory). And that argument that Saitama wouldn't hit her because she is 17 doesn't make sense, since he was never seen fighting with someone of that age to draw conclusions., so I don't understand where you get that he wouldn't do it.
 
Wesker018 said:
It doesn't matter, it's a type of mind manipulation. And supporting the argument said by azizbengibi, saitama will one shot according to SBA rules (he would go for the victory). And that argument that Saitama wouldn't hit her because she is 17 doesn't make sense, since he was never seen fighting with someone of that age to draw conclusions., so I don't understand where you get that he wouldn't do it.
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we are going in circles. I already gave an example how time stop is a type of time manipulation but does not give you resistance toother types of time manipulation. And i did not say saitama wouldn't hit her coz she is 17 lol. I said in character saitama does not just attack any opponent he sees with serious punch lol. SBA actually favors me. If by some reason saitama does this eida would subconsciously wish not to die resulting in omnipotence kicking in.
 
karo_senpaii said:
we are going in circles. I already gave an example how time stop is a type of time manipulation but does not give you resistance toother types of time manipulation. And i did not say saitama wouldn't hit her coz she is 17 lol. I said in character saitama does not just attack any opponent he sees with serious punch lol. SBA actually favors me. If by some reason saitama does this eida would subconsciously wish not to die resulting in omnipotence kicking in.
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But the fundamental thing to keep in mind here is that Saitama in this context would want to go for victory. Saitama usually isn't even focused on the fight, that's true. But here it is taken into account that his objective is to win, saitama when is necessary uses his serious punch, he literally use it against the elder centipede who isn't even a top character.
 
karo_senpaii said:
Sasuke'nin her şeye gücü yetme tuzağına düştüğünü düşünürsek, ki bu onun çekiciliğinin temelinde yatan şey, amado'nun haklı olduğunu düşünüyorum.
Saitama karakter olarak sadece 17 yaşındaki kızlara 4A yumrukları atmıyor ve eğer bunu yaparsa her şeye gücü yetme devreye girecek.
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What Amado says has nothing to do with the scenario you created. Amado claims that only Naruto and Sasuke will be charm affected.


Saitama attacks directly to win and considering his AD, he will kill Eida by punching him faster than she can feel.
 
Wesker018 said:
but the way she uses that waping according to her profile is to create the same aura of empathic manipulation, she doesn't use it in the Scarlet Witch style, otherwise I would agree with you.
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No, this power makes her wishes real. It's true that she got empathic manipulation via using this tho.
 
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