Eida/Ada (Boruto) Vs Saitama (Opm)

[Qawsedf234]

Doesn't mean like blitz but more like speed advantage

He might have a speed advantage but you wer previously arguing for a speed blitz.

Saitama still kills everyone who seems to be enemy to him.

Saitama has never killed a human before. While him killing Ada isn't out of the question under SBA it's not a move he'd instantly resort to.

This differs to context, for example Saitama just got hearing ability in his profile;

He can see events from a great distance along with enhanced general awareness.

don't have to,

You made a claim, so yes you have to back up that claim. Give an example of Saitama doing what you're suggesting he'd do.

And lemme bring common sense, why you ran at someone while you can literally one tap her with moving the floor under your feets?

Saitama doesn't operate under common sense, he operates as Saitama. Give an example where Saitama's initial move is attack them from a distance when he cannot see them.

 

[Phoenks]

Ada's charm is not confirmed to be layered and her own profile makes it clear it is possible for people to try resisting it. Saitama's willpower is far beyond everyone else in the OPM verse and even the likes of Fubuki could resist an identical ability.

Stomp for Saitama. Should be closed.

 

[azizbengibi]

Saitama has never killed a human before. While him killing Ada isn't out of the question under SBA it's not a move he'd instantly resort to.

"Even though it is not within the scope of SBA"? Because no human in the series came to Saitama with the intention of killing and according to SBA rules, Saitama will play directly to win.

Saitama doesn't operate under common sense, he operates as Saitama. Give an example where Saitama's initial move is attack them from a distance when he cannot see them.

It doesn't seem unreasonable for him to make a shock wave with his fist from afar.

 

[azizbengibi]

Ada's charm is not confirmed to be layered and her own profile makes it clear it is possible for people to try resisting it. Saitama's willpower is far beyond everyone else in the OPM verse and even the likes of Fubuki could resist an identical ability.

Stomp for Saitama. Should be closed.

Even if it were layered, the fact that there was someone who did not have any support and resistance success and only relied on supernatural willpower would automatically condescending the layered emp manip

 

[Qawsedf234]

Because no human in the series came to Saitama with the intention of killing

Sonic and Garou both came with that intent, Blizzard tried to cripple and Tornado was trying to either cripple or injured Saitama as well.

doesn't seem unreasonable for him to make a shock wave with his fist from afar.

A shockwave is fine, I'm asking for evidence that Saitama would intentionally use an AoE move on an enemy he can't see rather than just run up and punch them.

I can't think of a single instance where his go to move wasn't just to close the distance and punch his opponent.

 

[Phoenks]

Qawsed why are we arguing about starting moves when his opponent has no win conditions

 

[azizbengibi]

Sonic and Garou both came with that intent, Blizzard tried to cripple and Tornado was trying to either cripple or injured Saitama as well.

Frankly, Sonic Blizzard did not care at all about the attacks of people like Garou, but SBA also realized that losing to Saitama would lead to very bad consequences and that Eida would want to kill him. And Saitama will also take one shot because he will attack directly to win.

A shockwave is fine, I'm asking for evidence that Saitama would intentionally use an AoE move on an enemy he can't see rather than just run up and punch them.

Since he knows where Eida is, it is not unreasonable for him to send out a shockwave that will cause great destruction.

 

[azizbengibi]

We already agree that Saitama will win eventually, I don't understand why we are still arguing.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Qawsed why are we arguing about starting moves when his opponent has no win conditions

I dislike it when people misrepresent in-character actions and use that as a win condition.

unreasonable for him to send out a shockwave that will cause great destruction.

Do you have an example of him doing this against an opponent h3 cannot see.

 

[Mamaroza]

Saitama can see Ada. He was able to see and aim himself back on Boros's ship and tracked Garou while bouncing around Io/when he was leap frogging across rocks on Earth.

Saitama only has a massive jump in power when he's challenged. He's not getting a instant speed amp as soon as the fight begins since he has no emotional trigger or physical challenge.

He has no current resistance to omnipotence, but since Shikamaru can resist her passive stuff with terrible Supernatural Willpower then Saitama with a notably deeper scaling chain likely isn't going to be effected. So it mostly depends on if she pushes herself to reality warp Saitama before being one shot and while in-character Saitama is sorta inconsistent with taking down human characters quickly, like with Tornado, Blizzard or Genos which gives her time to use the power.

Though in-character Saitama probably wins more often then he loses.

He has no current resistance to omnipotence, but since Shikamaru can resist her passive stuff with terrible Supernatural Willpower then Saitama with a notably deeper scaling chain likely isn't going to be effected. So it mostly depends on if she pushes herself to reality warp Saitama before being one shot and while in-character Saitama is sorta inconsistent with taking down human characters quickly, like with Tornado, Blizzard or Genos which gives her time to use the power.

Though in-character Saitama probably wins more often then he loses.

Shikamaru didn't really resist, in fact, trying to resist Eida's ability would cause mind damage, and Eida's desire to be loved and Omnipotence made Shikamaru's resistance futile.

 

[Phoenks]

Shikamaru does not have resistance to empathic manipulation, as he, in fact, was affected by her charm despite his will.

Saitama has resistance to empathic manipulation scaling far above Fubuki who could resist the exact same ability with her will.

Case closed. Unless you have further evidence to prove layers or resistance negation, Saitama resist the ability. This thread should be locked.

 

[Mamaroza]

Eida in-character doesn't uses "Omnipotence" also, she just randomly/accidently changes reality with her emotions. And in SBA rules, Saitama sees Eida as opponent which means hes gonna attack her without any hesitation.

I told you that this is caused by Eida's subconscious desire to be loved, which Eida cannot control, so "Omnipotence" will be activated independently of Eida as a result of Eida's desire to be loved.

 

[Mamaroza]

I don't see that. Saitama would see Ada, resist her initial power, draw out the fight and probably win before Omnipotence pulls off.

As Ada said, she has no control over this ability, just like her "Magic" ability, Omnipotence was triggered by Ada's desire to be loved and gave her an incredible Empathic power, trying to resist will be futile because Omnipotence will constantly rewrite people's memories, just like when you believe that Boruto is Naruto's son, I mean even if Saitama resists, Omnipotence will overcome this resistance by warping reality.

 

[Mamaroza]

Shikamaru does not have resistance to empathic manipulation, as he, in fact, was affected by her charm despite his will

Ada's subconscious forced herself to fall in love with him because of her desire to be loved. Omnipotence overrode Shikamaru's resistance

 

[Mamaroza]

Ada's charm is not confirmed to be layered and her own profile makes it clear it is possible for people to try resisting it. Saitama's willpower is far beyond everyone else in the OPM verse and even the likes of Fubuki could resist an identical ability.

Literally, Sarada, Sumire Otsutsuki, blood relatives are immune to Ada's Omnipotence.

 

[Phoenks]

Ada's subconscious forced herself to fall in love with him because of her desire to be loved. Omnipotence overrode Shikamaru's resistance

Shikamaru does not have resistance in the first place, as seen on his profile.

Omnipotence mind hax is also resisted by Saitama's willpower.

You aren't providing any new insights. Saitama resists the abilities in question.

 

[Mamaroza]

Omnipotence mind hax is also resisted by Saitama's willpower. It also is not listed as Reality Warping.

What?Omnipotence in the truest sense, the true nature of Ada's Charm

 

[Jirenoffical]

As Ada said, she has no control over this ability, just like her "Magic" ability, Omnipotence was triggered by Ada's desire to be loved and gave her an incredible Empathic power, trying to resist will be futile because Omnipotence will constantly rewrite people's memories, just like when you believe that Boruto is Naruto's son, I mean even if Saitama resists, Omnipotence will overcome this resistance by warping reality.

I don't see how his Omnipotence affects Saitama before he gets one shotted, would it work while a ftl punch is thrown in his face? It seems like Omnipotence didn't work on Shikamaru when he resisted.

 

[Excellence616]

Cape Head FRA

 

[azizbengibi]

Do you have an example of him doing this against an opponent h3 cannot see.

I can't give an example, but in the end, since Saitama will play to win, it is up to us to point out what kind of attack he can do in scenarios where he can win. I'm I just gave him a possibly to do this Saitama wins anyway Also, is it really necessary for Saitama to attack "without seeing" because Saitama will already know where he is, why not attack from a distance instead of going 4 km away? Saitama is already a lazy person

 

[azizbengibi]

Literally, Sarada, Sumire Otsutsuki, blood relatives are immune to Ada's Omnipotence.

Sumire and Sarada are not immune, the reason why they are not affected is still unknown, it would be funny if they both resist due to supernatural willpower lol.

 

[azizbengibi]

Ada's subconscious forced herself to fall in love with him because of her desire to be loved. Omnipotence overrode Shikamaru's resistance

He didn't suppress it in any way, Shikamaru continued to resist in the same way until Eida left.

 

[azizbengibi]

As Ada said, she has no control over this ability, just like her "Magic" ability, Omnipotence was triggered by Ada's desire to be loved and gave her an incredible Empathic power, trying to resist will be futile because Omnipotence will constantly rewrite people's memories, just like when you believe that Boruto is Naruto's son, I mean even if Saitama resists, Omnipotence will overcome this resistance by warping reality.

Saitama would have already killed her by the time she did that.

 

[Mamaroza]

Saitama would have already killed her by the time she did that.

Speed was equalized

 

[Mamaroza]

He didn't suppress it in any way, Shikamaru continued to resist in the same way until Eida left.

Wdym?

 

[Mamaroza]

Sumire and Sarada are not immune, the reason why they are not affected is still unknown, it would be funny if they both resist due to supernatural willpower lol.

It doesn't change that they are not affected. No matter how they resist.

 

[Jirenoffical]

Speed was equalized

Wdym?

It doesn't change that they are not affected. No matter how they resist.

I wonder why you just ignored me. Don't you have an answer? As I said, I don't know much about Naruto verse, I'm speaking as much as I know, and if I'm wrong, I'd rather learn the truth than be ignored.

I don't see how his Omnipotence affects Saitama before he gets one shotted, would it work while a ftl punch is thrown in his face? It seems like Omnipotence didn't work on Shikamaru when he resisted.

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[azizbengibi]

Speed was equalized

AD Also, even if you equalize the speeds, Saitama will have the advantage here. He acts before Eida. In any case, it is inevitable that there will be a one shot.

Wdym?

You stated that Omnipotence suppressed Shikamaru's resistance to charm, but nothing like that happened, Shikamaru showed the same resistance until eida left the area where they were Area

It doesn't change that they are not affected. No matter how they resist.

Yes, I did not say that they were affected, it is just that it is not known why they were not affected.

 

[Soulaaa]

He might have a speed advantage but you wer previously arguing for a speed blitz.

I meant speed advantage, my bad

 

[Soulaaa]

I told you that this is caused by Eida's subconscious desire to be loved, which Eida cannot control, so "Omnipotence" will be activated independently of Eida as a result of Eida's desire to be loved.

Uhm? Nothing actually changes with this ability since she can't use it because of in-character. And this technique activates itself independently with Eida's desire. Which Eida can't control& doesn't grant anything in your battle

 

[Soulaaa]

Speed was equalized

You literally accepted passive AD stop backtracking these arguments. Debate is already over, Saitama fodderizes this weakling

 

[Jirenoffical]

Uhm? Nothing actually changes with this ability since she can't use it because of in-character. And this technique activates itself independently with Eida's desire. Which Eida can't control& doesn't grant anything in your battle

Exacty. He's talking like its a passive ability that turns on when someone resist her.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Eidai's ability is a passive one that makes anyone who sees him fall in love with him regardless of gender, but if we are to be more realistic, considering SBA rules, both characters are aware of each other's whereabouts, and Saitama has limited telepathy, allowing him to hear conversations from other dimensions and read minds. In such a scenario, there are several reasons why Saitama would win:

1. Saitama is very lazy; he wouldn't want to run the distance to reach Eidai. He would either take him down with a single move from afar or finish the job with a table flip. Approaching from this distance isn't something in Saitama's character.

2. This is quite important: in the latest chapters of One Punch Man, it's mentioned that the dimension where the God resides is a "higher" dimension, where time and distance have no meaning. As a result(even though they aren't uptaded the profile)God's will is 4D, and Garou has resisted this will. So Garou's Supernatural willpower is scaled to 4D. Now, when it comes to the willpower in OPM universe, it's more comprehensive compared to others. For instance, it's stated that it's resistant to empathic manipulation. Therefore, Saitama, being superior to others in willpower (generally having a superior willpower compared to everyone in OPM), gains resistance to 4D empathic manipulation.

And i don't even need to mention it but, Saitama grows indefinetly and he would passively grows out to be faster than Eida as the fight starts.

I think this is clear explanation for everyone else who saw this thread. Saitama FRA

even though they aren't updated bro casually negated his own argument

 

[Soulaaa]

even though they aren't updated bro casually negated his own argument

I didn't knew that it should be in profile.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Anyway, I vote for Saitama with the same arguments as in the other thread, OPM's supernatural willpower offers resistance to Aida's hax.

not only does her ability work on someone with supernatural willpower , it works on someone with layered resistance to mind manipulation.
I vote eida. saitama would be under her charm the moment he sees her. saitama will never ever in character just simply erase a girl he sees. If by some miracle he resists and attacks eida would subconsciously not want to die. resulting in several scenerios where omnipotence would kick in. I can go deeper if anyone is interested

 

[Wesker018]

She doesn't have hax layers on her profile so you can't talk like she does. Even if you have scans, you should first do a CTR to include the layers.

 

[karo_senpaii]

Ada's charm is not confirmed to be layered and her own profile makes it clear it is possible for people to try resisting it. Saitama's willpower is far beyond everyone else in the OPM verse and even the likes of Fubuki could resist an identical ability.

Stomp for Saitama. Should be closed.

that should be a thread on its own coz her charm should work on someone like sasuke with layered resistance. but still someone with supernatural willpower could not resist eida charm

 

[Wesker018]

Maybe you are right, but since it is not accepted yet you cannot use it, if in the future those layers are accepted then I will agree with you. But for now they are equal in layers.

 

[Soulaaa]

not only does her ability work on someone with supernatural willpower , it works on someone with layered resistance to mind manipulation.
I vote eida. saitama would be under her charm the moment he sees her. saitama will never ever in character just simply erase a girl he sees. If by some miracle he resists and attacks eida would subconsciously not want to die. resulting in several scenerios where omnipotence would kick in. I can go deeper if anyone is interested

There's differences between opm and Naruto's willpower. You can look at OPM's willpower and limitler from there and it literally resists to empathic manipulation. So your assumption is completely wrong.

 

[karo_senpaii]

She doesn't have hax layers on her profile so you can't talk like she does. Even if you have scans, you should first do a CTR to include the layers.

saitama doesn't even have resistance to begin with