Edo Tensei Itachi (Naruto) vs. Kakine Teitoku (To Aru Majutsu No Index)

[Zensum]

Err, it just becomes a matter of opinion at this point I woud just assume that makes it easier for Itachi to genjutsu him while you say the opposite.

It is the equalivlent of itachi genjutsuing a mass of sand and trying to mind hax the individual grains

 

[Rocker1189]

Malox just confirms to me that this becomes a Kakine vs Kakine thread upon Itachi meeting one Kakine.

 

[PaChi2]

Kakine kills itachi.

Next.

 

[Rocker1189]

Kakine kills itachi.
Next.

Kakine kills Itachi clone and then has to kill himself

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

For the record, there's the Totsuka Blade, which no one else seems to have factored into the equation. And that Edo Tensei have regenerated from literally nothing before, e.g. when the meteor fell on Edo Tensei Madara. Izanami is something to consider, as well--he sacrificing his eye to Kakine's conciousness into an eternal loop.

The question is, can that effect Kakine?

EDIT: I did mean Post Revival/Beetle-05. They're not seperate keys, according to the page.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

cant he take out Itachi via his effecting things on a macro level that should be more than enough to permanently end even Edo's

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

cant he take out Itachi via his effecting things on a macro level

clones, substitution, and being able to get a kakine on his side

 

[Zensum]

@Rocker Itachi has nothing to control, but even if he could control the clone his aim diffusion field would just repurpose the DM material anyways, he'd be fighting an endless army constructs which can manipulate DM and create 25k different types of unknown energy as this goes on DM would be passivley spreading across the planet. He would have been long overun and broken down into DM by then though.

 

[Malox1696]

Malox just confirms to me that this becomes a Kakine vs Kakine thread upon Itachi meeting one Kakine.

No kakine has a system for when clone goes rouge, and itachi can't affect his personal reality

 

[LordWhis]

Itachi's eyes have enormous range what is preventing him from having all of Kakine's clones in his field of view and genjutsuing them all at once ?

 

[Zensum]

Itachi's eyes have enormous range what is preventing him from having all of Kakine's clones in his field of view and genjutsuing them all at once ?

Because they are self replicating inorganic material

 

[LordWhis]

Because they are self replicating inorganic material

Do they have a consciousness ?

 

[Zensum]

Do they have a consciousness ?

Nah they have an aim difusion field and personal reality which allows the esper abiltiy to work and each Dark Matter elementry particle carries kakines "information". The constructs are masses of this matter. There is no distinction between him and the material.

 

[LordWhis]

Do they adapt based on experience ?

 

[PaChi2]

Thread

 

[LazyHunter]

Genjutsu won't work on either Kakine post-revival, he doesn't have a brain or a central nervous system to manipulate, he's just a clump of Dark Matter animated and controlled by Kakine's will. Edo Itachi doesn't have Kotoamatsukami, so that's also moot. The only thing he has Totsuka, and he won't get all of Kakine's Dark Matter with that.

 

[LordWhis]

Edo Itachi doesn't have Kotoamatsukami, so that's also moot.

Um... why does he not have koto ? of course he has koto. also if kakine's will controls the matter then koto should work.


Also, Itachi can warp Totsuka blade to colossal size and can even change it into a constantly expanding sphere around him.


He can have shadow clones spam izanagi, warping reality.

He also has Amaterasu which I am assuming is moon level here because OP said strongest keys.

He also has the Yata mirror.

 

[A_Stoned_Orc]

Kotoamatsukami isn't listed on his profile; he only 'used it' by implanting a crow with Shisui's eye, that he hid in Naruto.

 

[Zensum]

Do they adapt based on experience ?

Yeah DM holds information, through AIM and kakines personal reality which creates some network between them which they can choose to share with other DM. The contructs like beetles for instance function like cyborgs, it explains their analytical prowess and logic-based methods. They are autonomous, and can make decisions on their own, and if needs be, can request assistance or 'information' from the other beetles. The network is programmed to destroy other constructs if they get in the way of the objective. Itachi would need to be able to effect an espers personal reality to be able to attemp to control a construct.

 

[LordWhis]

@korudo: I had made a thread for that crow to be added to his standard equipment and koto to be added to his abilities.

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

I had made a thread for that crow to be added to his standard equipment and koto to be added to his abilities.

there is a thead for ability addictions already

 

[LordWhis]

@zensum:

So does kakine's personal reality receive all the experiences ?

 

[Ricsi-viragosi]

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1483856

 

[VoidGoji]

Kakine can spread his Dark Matter over an entire island or even the world iirc. He spams it. He ALWAYS is creating a backup somewhere

 

[LordWhis]

@schro: Itachi is faster though so he could attack him before he manages to spread anything.

 

[LordWhis]

General question: can Kakine's spread his dark matter beyond planet earth ?

 

[VoidGoji]

But Kakine is a genius. Itachi will not use his only way to victory from the get go. Kakine will notice that, create an army, backups and boom.

 

[Zensum]

@zensum:
So does kakine's personal reality receive all the experiences ?

Lazy could probably elaborate. I think its more accurate to say the DM holds the "information" gained and the personal reality and diffusion field is the reason all of this can manifest. Its likely similair to the way Kakines ability can run Dark Matter in an area's surface, to obtain information of past events.

 

[LazyHunter]

You are either using Edo Itachi before he meets with Naruto again, when he didn't have the crow with Shisui's eye as that was inside Naruto, or after he recovers the eye, which used up his power with Itachi mentioning he wouldn't be able to use it again for like ten years or so. At no point Edo Itachi has access to Shisui's eye with use of Kotoamatsukami, you need alive Itachi for that.

It doesn't matter, he needs to get all existing Dark Matter sealed in one go or he has to start over again. He cannot do that with Kakine/Beetle 05 spreading it all around them and duplicating himself.

How would Izanagi help him put down Kakine?

Amaterasu possibly being Moon level is completely useless given how slow it spreads, it's weak AoE and Kakine's duplication, Regenerationn and immortality. Amaterasu is used in a clone body he just dumps it and pops in another one.

As for Yata Mirror it has never dealt with something like Kakine's Dark Matter, and even taking the NLF at face value it doesn't cover 360┬║, which is a necessity given Kakine/Beetle 05's use of clones.

Speed is Equalized.

 

[LordWhis]

How durable is this dark matter ?

 

[LordWhis]

@lazy hunter:

Stat amplification.

Itachi can modify the shape and size of his ethereal weapons. What I'm not sure about is whether kakine's durability Negation can allow him to destroy the Yata mirror or not.

Amaterasu may spread slowly but it can be casted very fast. Edo Itachi can just spam it.

 

[VoidGoji]

He can change the durability of his DM creations. Also, he can make the DM turn into another material.

 

[LordWhis]

@schro: Can it withstand being heated to higher than the temperature of the sun.

 

[VoidGoji]

Kakine can come back from 1 DM elementary particle. Itachi can't sense or even see it.

 

[LazyHunter]

Durable enough to tank Accelerator more casual attacks if he wants to. Not that Kakine bothers making it durable at all post-revival, as it's just a waste of effort given his level of regen.

Did they change how speed equalization worked with stat amping? Then how much faster than normal can he become with stat amping?

He's not getting all existing Dark Matter unless he can use use Totsuka Blade to cover everything around him in sight for at least a few km, neither Kakine or Beetle 05 are idiots so they never put all their Dark Matter in one place.

 

[LordGinSama]

Kakine for the reasons above.

 

[LordWhis]

@lazy hunter: He can change the shape and size if Totsuka blade to his wish so he should be able to expand it to cover such a large area.

 

[Schnee_One]

RIP it's Beetle 5 Kakine

 

[LazyHunter]

Show me Totsuka Blade making a sphere around Itachi with a diameter of a few km, then.

 

[VoidGoji]

@LordWhis, the DM itself can use heat energy, light and etc. 25,000 types of energy (including radiation) and resist it.