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That link to the other thread confused me so much, it wasn't even funny.

What the heck happened, and why was I the one at the center of it all?
 
Finished his next three keys and posted them. Does anyone have some suggestions for his Sky, Saint, and Demigod(Deity) keys?

Xue Ying
 
Within the Low 4-C keys, Samus is the strongest rn i believe. So try her. Outside the tier am not sure. Don't know how haxed Xue is.
 
Oof. You managed to stomp Samus in Low 4-C? You must really have a beast on your hands.
 
His 5-A key might be an interesting match against Gilgamesh.
 
I know 0 about Metroid and Samus, didn't know any low 4-C so I went directly to top 5 strongest thread and seen only Metroid there, seems to be the less talked tier and also the single with only one character/verse categorized.
 
Samus is strong though. Maybe not Lavos, Reinhard or Hazama levels of strong, but still a strong character.
 
GyroNutz said:
Samus is strong though. Maybe not Lavos, Reinhard or Hazama levels of strong, but still a strong character.
She isn't broken and is very beatable is the point. Unlike the rest of the tiers where there's broken unbeatable bs, Samus' moveset is relatively basic.
 
She wouldn't have to. Just break all his limbs and leave him there as a limbless thing on the ground.
 
GyroNutz said:
Samus is strong though. Maybe not Lavos, Reinhard or Hazama levels of strong, but still a strong character.
None of the characters you mentioned are that strong.

Yes but she has only basic abilities like elemental stuff, black holes IIRC. Anything meta can absolutely crush her, and i mean most fate, prob, causality users, reality warpers etc. No need to go to top tiers to be strong. Other tiers are damn near impossible to get even without it being Reinhard. You can be strong and hold your own without being broken, look at non smurfs like Yhwach, or even someone like Amane.
 
We... kind of do? Willpower Manip tends to just be an extension of Empathic Manip which tends to be an extension of Mind Manip. In context they could be different, obviously, but that's the gist of it.
 
You could add Madness and Empathic to that as well, they are all technically offshoots of mind manip, although I do believe that stripping someone of their free will and making them do something you want are different enough to warrant different powers.
 
Making someone do something you want is extremely basic for almost all forms of mind manipulation

Stripping of free will is empathetic, which should fall under it

Within context, I geniuenely don't think that's not mind manipulation

Even if it is a stomp I can make the thread to discuss it
 
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