Each DC universe is a Omniverse and is 1-A (Outerversal)

[Hellsing]

DC COMICS have mathematical universes.

DC's cosmology reaches to the Wholeness Axiom which is based on Bohm’s implicate order which contains all sets and the wholeness of mathematics

Something that Grant Morrison sited at applying to just one DC universe

Narration explicitly calls material reality the explicate unfolding from the implicate

And

Now where is the evidence that all this implies a mathematical universe?

This Scan is the proof:

 

[Deagonx]

How would this imply 1-A?

 

[Confluctor]

My brother in Christ, I seem to keep telling you to source your scans. If you can't, I will be forced to close it until you remake it with added sources and stuff.

 

[Xearsay]

My brother in Christ, I seem to keep telling you to source your scans. If you can't, I will be forced to close it until you remake it with added sources and stuff.

Is it possible that I can source it for him?

First scan: Animal Man #14

Second scan: Animal Man #87

Third scan: Grant Morrison’s Batman Arkham Asylum #1

Book scans: Wholeness and the Implicate Order by David Bohm, page #126

 

[Amakasu]

Rip

 

[Deagonx]

Additionally, the wiki page for Animal Man has an addendum specifically addressing this:

(4) Bohm's theory might suggest an effectively infinite, but not truly infinite, amount of geospatial dimensions, however, to use this for a Tier 1 rating would require considerably more specific in-story evidence applying it to DC, rather than just brief mention of Bohm in a single comic book, as it's vastly inconsistent with other descriptions of DC cosmology.

Some of the intricacies of Bohm's theories have been used before to argue for high tiers but have been ultimately rejected because it is not established that all aspects of the theory are true for DC.

 

[Confluctor]

Is it possible that I can source it for him?

That's fine, as long as someone knows.

 

[Darksmash]

You have to illustrate and prove to what extend the implicate order applies to DC and whether it follows the exact same definition as the one in the book and whether it is scalable to cosmology size in the sense the tiering system requires it to

 

[Deagonx]

You have to illustrate and prove to what extend the implicate order applies to DC and whether it follows the exact same definition as the one in the book and whether it is scalable to cosmology size in the sense the tiering system requires it to

This absolutely, but I'd be shocked if we ever got anything close to this.

 

[Panpanpanjeidj]

I've seen an opinion somewhere about an argument similar to this.



I don't know if this comment is correct because I don't know math, but I think it's worth referring to.

 

[Deagonx]

That's a pretty thorough debunking of the concept. Likewise he's right about the source, I don't know why someone tried to claim the page in the OP was from a book by Bohm, the author is "Paul Corazza" like it says at the top and he references Bohm in the 3rd person literally on the page.

He makes a good point that the "Writer in the rain" scan doesn't actually suggest that Bohm's ontology is being applied, and that it's inaccurate to what Bohm actually said. It's reminiscient of Morrison making the same error with "Platonic" New Gods. It led to all this crazy conjecture about the New Gods being Platonic Forms based on 1 scan from Batman, but completely overlooked the fact that the New Gods are entirely incompatible with Platonism.

The same is occurring with Bohm's theories, as that post explains.

 

[Confluctor]

Anyway, I will just wait for OP to respond before closing this.

 

[Hellsing]

Is it possible that I can source it for him?

First scan: Animal Man #14

Second scan: Animal Man #87

Third scan: Grant Morrison’s Batman Arkham Asylum #1

Book scans: Wholeness and the Implicate Order by David Bohm, page #126

thanks so much bro

 

[Hellsing]

How would this imply 1-A?

Because its beyond mathematics

 

[Deagonx]

Because its beyond mathematics

What does that mean

 

[Darksmash]

What does that mean

They can beat up a mathematics teacher.

 

[Hellsing]

They can beat up a mathematics teacher.

wait a minute i thought being beyond mathematics would scale you to 1a

 

[Arceus0x]

wait a minute i thought being beyond mathematics would scale you to 1a

Nah, it's too vague. You need to prove what math it surpasses specifically... Not to mention everything in fiction can be measured by math

 

[Nehz_XZX]

wait a minute i thought being beyond mathematics would scale you to 1a

Isn't it also important for the story to define the scope of mathematics and what being beyond it entails? There are Tier 0 cardinals as far as I'm aware and different axiomatic systems that can be used for mathematics.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Because its beyond mathematics

Source: Swamp Thing vol. 2 #46

Edit: Should be noted, the context for that scene is during the Crisis on Infinite Earths. Swamp Thing and Constantine are being transported to the Monitor's satellite during the merging of the remaining Earths.

So all that about mathematics and stuff? During that time it wouldn't go beyond Low 1-C at best.

 

[Hellsing]

Source: Swamp Thing vol. 2 #46

Edit: Should be noted, the context for that scene is during the Crisis on Infinite Earths. Swamp Thing and Constantine are being transported to the Monitor's satellite during the merging of the remaining Earths.

So all that about mathematics and stuff? During that time it wouldn't go beyond Low 1-C at best.

damn

 

[Transcending]

I've seen an opinion somewhere about an argument similar to this.



I don't know if this comment is correct because I don't know math, but I think it's worth referring to.

I have also seen OP's arguments on Quora multiple times, but yeah, this doesn't work out for reasons Deagon and General-in-chief mentioned.

 

[Antvasima]

Oh God. Are you really going to start this neverending debacle over and over again, right after the last thread went completely to hell after wasting lots of time for everybody involved?

What do you think about this, @Deagonx , @Elizio33 , @LuciferDC099 , @Eficiente , and @Firestorm808 ?

 

[Antvasima]

Anyway, I think that we need some specifics here, yes, as otherwise it likely has to be considered to be a hyperbolic no-limits fallacy claim.

 

[Deagonx]

What do you think about this, @Deagonx

I believe that this post from earlier in the thread, referencing the Reddit breakdown that General-In-Chief gave about why this does not apply to DC completely debunks this CRT.

The page referenced is not by Bohm, like Xearsay claimed earlier, so this is even less relevant. I think it's clear Hellsing doesn't intend to debate this further, so we can just close the thread.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you. Is it fine with you as well if we close this thread, Confluctor and Nehz?

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Thank you. Is it fine with you as well if we close this thread, Confluctor and Nehz?

Anyway, I will just wait for OP to respond before closing this.

Confluctor said that they will wait for the OP to respond but if the OP isn't going to make response and no one really has anything left to discuss in this thread, then it is probably fine for it to get closed.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. I will do so then. Thank you to everybody who helped out here.