Xu Jingming Update 6 - End of Evolution - Low 1A/1-A

[Zaratthustra]

So, any new insights?

 

[Zaratthustra]

Bump Grand Dao.

 

[Zaratthustra]

What is dead may never die... but it can be forgotten.

 

[Livinmeme]

it will cover 12.6 light-years creating spacetime waves reducing all things to dust

Apparently destroying a diamater of 200 light years is """"just""" 4-B

 

[Zaratthustra]

Apparently destroying a diamater of 200 light years is """"just""" 4-B

True but thats just another backing for his tier. His tier is based on having stronger force than the entire spacetime of the universe.

Multi-Solar System level, likely Universe level+ (With the Heart Realm, he can use its power to create a "tangible" world within the current universe to restrain and suppress[4] his targets - the force of this world being countless times sturdier and stable than the entire lower-dimensional spacetime

 

[Rikimarox2]

I kind of forgot about this, so might as well continue.

The AP for Cosmic Legend and Eternal are fine. For Half-Step Third Realm, though, wouldn't he be Low 1-C normally? Considering he can already destroy universes before hand (3D + 1D of time), and the fact he occupies a 4th dimension of space, then it would be 4D + 1D of time. Though I'm not dimension savvy so I'm not sure 100% sure.

The other APs are fine, and I already talked about UEs.

Now, for speed, they are all fine, and as for Eternals, I'm not even sure how you'd take the Miniature Universe into account, and I think we generally just classify it as Pocket-Reality Manip, rather than smth related to speed or anything like that. For Half-Step, changes seem fine.

Range, well, if Half-Step do qualify for Low 1-C normally, then it should just be Low Complex, otherwise everything is fine.

Everything else seems fine.

For abilities, I skimmed through it and focused mostly on the important ones (Law, Non-duality, etc...), and aside from Plot Manipulation, everything seems fine. For Plot Manipulation, you kind of need to have an actual narrative-esque structure to manipulate, rather than just being able to change everything with your will.

Also, I have seen the translation and the talk about UEs, and I still think they qualify for 1-A, since they are the foundation, above everything, etc...

I'll continue to read the abilities to see if I missed anything, but they generally seem fine, but If I saw something that doesn't seem right, I'll just comment it here. Otherwise, just count me as agreeing to the revision, with the addition of the things I've noted above.

 

[Livinmeme]

True but thats just another backing for his tier. His tier is based on having stronger force than the entire spacetime of the universe.

Wouldn't that be 3-C because there are alot of super massive blackholes?

 

[Elizhaa]

1-A seems fine; I am with the other changes in the OP.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Wouldn't that be 3-C because there are alot of super massive blackholes?

No, because it doesn't refer to a part of the universe but the entire lower dimension, thats why I have it put as 3-B, possible Low 2-C.

 

[Ultima_Reality]

Looking through this (Only the OP. If I missed anything, tell me): I don't think the Ultimate Existences really warrant Low 1-A or 1-A at all. From what I see, they're just stated to be "at the farthest reaches of spacetime," which in the case of this verse, would just include "countless dimensions." It's 1-B at most, based on those scans.

The rest is fine by me. (Though I haven't looked at the sandbox with the abilities yet. That's a lot)

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Looking through this (Only the OP. If I missed anything, tell me): I don't think the Ultimate Existences really warrant Low 1-A or 1-A at all. From what I see, they're just stated to be "at the farthest reaches of spacetime," which in the case of this verse, would just include "countless dimensions." It's 1-B at most, based on those scans.

Agree with this as well, and the phrase "farthest reaches of spacetime" pretty much just debunks that low 1A and 1A really just mean they’re at the top of spacetime, at the end, not above.

 

[Zaratthustra]

So currently, the reasoning for the Low 1-A/1-A tier (before Unqver showed it was a miss-translation), is the following:

(Ultimate Existences powers when compared to Third-Realm High-Dimensional lifeforms are unrivaled and beyond imagination[88] as just a mere piece of paper drawn[46] by them has enough power to pulverize them. Flowers that can rival entire universes[86] in grandeur are mere decorations within his garden. There are stated to be countless higher dimensions[63] with each addition being more complex than the previous one. Ultimate Existences transcended[51] to a higher plane of existence compared to Third Realm Lifeforms - to the farthest reaches of spacetime, all paths of cultivation, of every lifeform. Their laws are imprinted within the Infinite Spacetime as they are the pillars of existence[84], the bedrock of its foundation)
The chinese raw text for the miss-translated part is:


Self-Translated ( @Unqver can you verify and mention if anything is wrong regarding it):



Now, even if it's not mentioning "countless dimensions", we still know there are more dimensions like the 4th, 5th (Third Realm beings), and possibly more but for now let's stop at the mentioned ones.

The Higher Dimension has spatial layers that have not limit[21] and are like its "space" infinite. There exist multiple successions of the River of Spacetime (Timeline)[22]: One for each Universe, one for each Dominion that covers the said Universes, and one for all Dominions that cover the entire Higher Dimension - The Infinite Spacetime. This should work as a backing that going by our standards would count as a higher dimension success just from the first one as a more superior "timeline" exists that has lower "timelines" within it.

Ultimate Existences are stated by a Third Realm being to be unrivaled and beyond imagination[88], and that they "transcend to a higher plane of existence" - "to the farthest reaches of spacetime, all paths of cultivation, of every lifeform". Their laws are imprinted within the Infinite Spacetime as they are the pillars of existence[84], the bedrock of its foundation - meaning UE are the foundation for everything be it lower or higher-dimensions.

From these, I think that Low 1-A or 1-A still can count as UE are the fundamental existence that hold all together (including higher dimensions...you don't need to have it stated to be countless or infinite or any other number to reach such tier, it could go even from a just one universe if there is backing for it).

@Ultima_Reality, well along the thread a few things changed so its my fault I didn't update the the OP. Will do it later after job. If you can give an input on this change I would be greatful.

 

[Zaratthustra]

I've edited the OP with the changes regarding the Ultimate Existence tier, so I'll have to ask again if you agree with it. I'll quote the part so you won't have to go to the first page if you don't wish.

Now, even if it's not mentioning "countless dimensions", we still know there are more dimensions like the 4th, 5th (Third Realm beings), and possibly more but for now let's stop at the mentioned ones.

The Higher Dimension has spatial layers that have not limit[21] and are like its "space" infinite. There exist multiple successions of the River of Spacetime (Timeline)[22]: One for each Universe, one for each Dominion that covers the said Universes, and one for all Dominions that cover the entire Higher Dimension - The Infinite Spacetime. This should work as a backing that going by our standards would count as a higher dimension success just from the first one as a more superior "timeline" exists that has lower "timelines" within it.

Ultimate Existences are stated by a Third Realm being to be unrivaled and beyond imagination[88], and that they "transcend to a higher plane of existence" - "to the farthest reaches of spacetime, all paths of cultivation, of every lifeform". Their laws are imprinted within the Infinite Spacetime as they are the pillars of existence[84], the bedrock of its foundation - meaning UE are the foundation for everything be it lower or higher-dimensions.

From these, I think that Low 1-A or 1-A still can count as UE are the fundamental existence that hold all together (including higher dimensions...you don't need to have it stated to be countless or infinite or any other number to reach such tier, it could go even from a just one universe if there is backing for it).

@Setsuna_tenma, @Voidnether
@Rikimarox2, @deonment, @Orioreeem, @Planck69 , @Elizhaa, @Grabbing_dragon

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

Don't think that qualifies as Low 1A. The reason I believe Ultima took the farthest reaches of spacetime is because, if it had stated "all space and time," then it would have been Low 1A, as it would have been on the highest possible dimensionality. Since Low 1A does not always require transcendence to achieve it, and it only mentioned spacetime, not all space and time, then it depended on how many dimensions the verse has.


I want to confirm this myself here.
Due to this

From these, I think that Low 1-A or 1-A still can count as UE are the fundamental existence that hold all together (including higher dimensions...you don't need to have it stated to be countless or infinite or any other number to reach such tier, it could go even from a just one universe if there is backing for it).

It does not work like that .

 

[Rikimarox2]

I mean, considering they are the "Pillars" of existence, and are similar to the foundation of them, wouldn't that warrant Low 1-A at least? At least that's what I think, taking into account the whole beyond imagination stuff, farthest reach of existence, etc...

Btw, maybe it would to good to bring the raws to check it, though that's just my suggestion.

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

I mean, considering they are the "Pillars" of existence, and are similar to the foundation of them, wouldn't that warrant Low 1-A at least?

Nope, if they were universals, including universals of space, time, and dimensions, that would have mattered.

 

[Rikimarox2]

How is that any different from being the foundation of existence/space-time?

 

[Grabbing_dragon]

How is that any different from being the foundation of existence/space-time?

Because they are not the very essence and concept of space-time itself and subject independently of particulars, for them to encompass all possible dimensions.

With your logic anything that is the foundation of space-time is Low 1A when that is not the case

 

[deonment]

Nope, if they were universals, including universals of space, time, and dimensions, that would have mattered.

That logic is just wrong to begin with, as a universal of anything else would still share the nature of the concepts of space and time that could make them 1-A in being wholly independent of reality, which includes their particulars. It's just that with those it's much easier to prove that.

When I asked ultima what his issue with them being low 1-A/1-A compared to another verse I know that has 1-A laws (with no proper law of space mind you), it was, and I quote

unless its moreso that the difference here is the elaboration on what reality exactly is, or the nature of the "law" itself?

rather than anything else

 

[Ultima_Reality]

I've edited the OP with the changes regarding the Ultimate Existence tier, so I'll have to ask again if you agree with it. I'll quote the part so you won't have to go to the first page if you don't wish.

Yeah, I don't think this really fits the bill for Low 1-A, still. It's not really clear that these "laws" encompass and sustain all conceivable extensions of spacetime, or just the spacetime that actually exists. I'd agree that they would, if among these laws was "The concept of space and time" or something of that like (And this concept subsisted independently of individual spatial and temporal things), but the text gives no clarification as to what they are, or what they do besides act as pillars for spacetime. So, yeah, 1-B is still most proper here, in my eyes.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Thanks for replies and sorry for delay from my part.

I see the problem, but would it change anything as one of these 4 Ultimate Existences is spacetime itself - Mother Stream. This is a High-Dimensional being who summoned just a part of it, as its not even a third-realm being.

Spacetime Island Lord looked at Xu Jingming and extended her right hand. Her palm was fair, but it seemed to hide endless spacetime, causing Redmond’s mind and consciousness to sink into it.
Whoosh! Whoosh! Whoosh!
Spacetime Island Lord immediately produced an endless high-dimensional river with guidance from her palm.
It was countless times larger than a cosmic river of spacetime. Even a universe was as tiny as gravel in front of it.
This is the Mother Stream! It nurtures the end of all cosmic spacetime. Redmond watched in amazement.
He knew that the universe didn’t exist a long, long time ago! The Mother Stream later came into existence, giving birth to universes and resulting in the existence of a concept known as a universe. This also completely changed the cultivation path of all high-dimensional lifeforms.

Chapter 594

While another Ultimate, represent the Abyss just like how Xu Jingming is the Heart Realm.

I used to view the Abyss with prejudice and considered it sinful. It’s incredibly chaotic, and countless lunatics dwell here. Xu Jingming watched as two deranged Abyssal mutated beasts charged toward him. As they advanced, the beasts ignited with black lotus flames and disintegrated into ashes.
But in reality, the Abyss signifies an absence of laws. Its operating principles are that there are no principles, and it accommodates all possibilities! Xu Jingming realized that even those with good intentions and light in their hearts, like Eternal Tower Master, could still comprehend the Abyssal path.
The rules of each Abyssal space are determined by the corresponding layer’s Abyss Sovereign.
If an Abyss Sovereign so chooses, they can make their layer beautiful and filled with goodness.
Xu Jingming pondered. Countless layers of Abyssal space represent endless possibilities.

Chapter 763

Which is mentioned later that is just a projection of the true Abyss through all spacetimes. Where it even mentions to accomodate all possible principles.

Is this a super-miniature Abyss? At a single glance, Xu Jingming discerned the intricate model of the ancient tree within the sphere. Countless branches were tightly interwoven, with many hidden from view, defying prying eyes.
Xu Jingming remained unaware of the true vastness and intricacies of the Abyss.
The Abyss permeated countless spacetimes. All that Xu Jingming had witnessed thus far was a mere projection of the Abyss in this particular spacetime.

Chapter 787

And here is Xu Jingming, who is again stated to transcend all spacetimes at his level. Don't forget that there exist high-dimensions bellow his realm, so these should count too.

Within the vast expanse of an endless and towering palace, an unseen presence exerted its silent influence across every timeline, spacetime, and living being.
Inside one of the palace halls, a colossal figure occupied a throne, positioned atop a dais. With black hair and lurid skin, he possessed the appearance of a pure human.
Resting his chin in his right hand, he closed his eyes, seemingly lost in slumber.
His breaths were gentle, yet the ripples they generated reverberated throughout all timelines and the Heart Realm, transcending the boundaries of spacetime. The source of the chaotic aura that permeated the Heart Realm emanated from the rhythmic essence of this formless aura.

Chapter 806

When a being reaches this realm - Ultimate, their laws become one with these of the Infinite Spacetime, becoming the foundation of them.

The laws of the Heart Realm seamlessly merged with the infinite spacetime, benefiting its circulation. Henceforth, Xu Jingming’s laws became an integral part of the fundamental laws of infinite spacetime.
If his laws could merge with the laws of infinite spacetime, he would become the bedrock of its existence.
The four Ultimate beings are also the cornerstones and pillars of infinite spacetime. Our presence can render infinite spacetime more flawless, stable, and powerful. Xu Jingming understood this fact very well.

Chapter 812

Wouldn't this help the argument? As it shows that an Ultimate Existence can and is above all possible principles which should fit for the concept of space time.

If not then I have no other quote to help this case.

If its just 1-B then how high would it be within it based on your guys opinion?

 

[Zaratthustra]

Bump?

 

[Zaratthustra]

"Everything dies. In time, even stars threads burn out." - Matthew Stover

 

[Zaratthustra]

One bump a day, keeps the doctor away.

 

[Zaratthustra]

Once a bump, always a bump.

I've forget to bump the thread... been playing Monster Hunter Wilds Beta and Kingdom Come Deliverance 1.

 

[Zaratthustra]

So, as a fact the current novel of the author is a sequal to Swalloed Stars which got some nice new scaling and powers plus world building for Xue Ying as its the same verse.

Yeah a bump.

 

[Rikimarox2]

I think Low 1-A is still possible, especially after the scans sent, since it seems one of the 4 dudes are responsible for creating the concept of a universe/space-time (albeit it could be metaphorical of not creating a concept, but just a universe), among the other stuff. They honestly seem like they are the reason space-time exists.

Wouldn't 1-B, likely/possibly Low 1-A be possible? Regardless, I'm still in agreement with likely Low 1-A.

 

[Zaratthustra]

I don't have a problem with At least 1-B, likely Low 1-A, if that's agreed upon.

It does mention on how she created the concept of space-time and its not a metaphorical at their level when beings two realms bellow can create their own universes. Or how Xu Jingming got flowers with more grandeur than entire universes.