EldemadeDityjon
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Pretty sure they are still bound by fate if I am correct
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Duality and Conceptual Duality
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Which character in rakudai kishi no eiyuutan has Aca
Mr._Undetected
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Ikki? And all Desperado maybe?
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Then what do we do about the monkey in the room?
EldemadeDityjon
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Isn't they literally manipulate other Desperado fate how that free from casualty?
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I don't really know the verse, but I've seen a scan that states transcend causality
EldemadeDityjon
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I have seen the scans too. Yes they Transcends the fate of the world & they can't be harmed by normal people but other desparado can Influence fate on them so technically they not completely unbound by Casualty. Atleast that's what I think
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Can't harm =/= can't interacting. Normal folk can interacting with them normally and and even fighting them, just Desperado was so strong that they can't win, and was destined to lose due to the normal folk bound by fate. Ikki when he was just a normal Blazer was fight well against Edelweiss, he just can't win
To be honest, at first i thought this verse was interesting because it focus on a weakest character that work his way up rather than being Gary Stu from the start, but when the bullshit Desperado with fate and causality shit come out it cringe me to oblivion and i drop the verse
To be honest, at first i thought this verse was interesting because it focus on a weakest character that work his way up rather than being Gary Stu from the start, but when the bullshit Desperado with fate and causality shit come out it cringe me to oblivion and i drop the verse
Mr._Undetected
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Idk, i don't follow that verse
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"May prove to be"
Literaly on what you sent. Since when does "may" means "have to"?
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Well, that's basically the Aca 5 qualification all along, at least on this site.
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Why are people here saying that dualities are inherently conceptual? They aren't. Your first indication should be that concepts correspond to things in reality; it would be nonsensical for dualities to only lie in concepts, because that would require those concepts to not correspond to anything real. Hell, a lot of the time concepts aren't fully separate from reality, and can be affected by things in reality.
Your second clue would be the ability to construct dualities for real-world objects. Certain particles have mass, others don't. Particles are measured to either have spin up or spin down in the direction of measurement. I could bring up larger-scale examples such as a switch in a circuit being on or off, a person being alive or dead, but I worry about people nitpicking those, If either of those larger-scale examples makes you want to go "Umm, actually" please just stick to the small-scale examples.
Your third clue would be the ability to construct non-dual systems without any conceptual transcendence nonsense. "This sentence is false" does not have a truth value of "true", nor does it have a truth value of "false"; it is outside of that duality, we can describe it as having the truth value "paradoxical". That does not mean that the sentence conceptually transcends truth and falsehood; what would that even mean materially?
Maybe in the way we index it we only care about conceptual dualities, but you'd be spreading misinformation to say that those are the only ones which exist.
Your second clue would be the ability to construct dualities for real-world objects. Certain particles have mass, others don't. Particles are measured to either have spin up or spin down in the direction of measurement. I could bring up larger-scale examples such as a switch in a circuit being on or off, a person being alive or dead, but I worry about people nitpicking those, If either of those larger-scale examples makes you want to go "Umm, actually" please just stick to the small-scale examples.
Your third clue would be the ability to construct non-dual systems without any conceptual transcendence nonsense. "This sentence is false" does not have a truth value of "true", nor does it have a truth value of "false"; it is outside of that duality, we can describe it as having the truth value "paradoxical". That does not mean that the sentence conceptually transcends truth and falsehood; what would that even mean materially?
Maybe in the way we index it we only care about conceptual dualities, but you'd be spreading misinformation to say that those are the only ones which exist.
