Dragon Hunter D vs Vampire Hunter D

[ShivaShakti]

Please don't let this be a stomp

After having aided in the destruction of the Dark Brotherhood, the Dragonborn thought that would be the last he would ever see of them... He continued on with his main journey, putting an end to The Eater of Worlds, and defeating The First Dragonborn. After absorbing Miraak's powers and taking his leave from Apocrypha, The Dovahkiin thought he could finally settle down and rest... He was unaware of what awaited his return to Solstheim.


Dragonborn DLC Dovahkiin vs Full Vampire D. The Dovahkiin has access to all his equipment, and D has The Akashic Records. Battle takes place on Solstheim.

Dovahkii:

D:

Inconclusive:

 

[Lightning_XXI]

Well, Dragon Boi resists D's gay powers, if they are 2-C resistances

However, I don't see resistance against Death Manipulation and Existence Erasure, so D can put him down with the records without any difficulty

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Death hax and EE is resisted (His resistance to magic covers that iirc. Also, he fought Alduin)

What stops Prisoner Metaphysics?

 

[Lightning_XXI]

D's haxes aren't magic based

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

He still fought on par with Alduin

Anyway, what stops Prisoner Metaphysics? Dovah basically starts with the move that lets him win such as his Tier 1 spells/items

 

[ShivaShakti]

He still fought on par with Alduin
Anyway, what stops Prisoner Metaphysics? Dovah basically starts with the move that lets him win such as his Tier 1 spells/items

Are any of those thoughtbased?

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Yes iirc

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Actually, I think he needs to shout the spell. The BFR is thought based tho

 

[ShivaShakti]

How good is Dovah's resistance to EE? D's is 2-C EE that erases across past, present, and future. He also has innate resistance negation.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

Does he open with that? Is it thought based?

 

[ShivaShakti]

Does he open with that? Is it thought based?

Yes and Yes

D's in his Full Vampire Form, so he's bloodlusted, meaning he's immediately gonna go for the kill. Akashic Record powers are thought based.

 

[Waria_Kambang]

Dovahkiin's resisted Alduin's attempt at eating him, which could erase anything that he eats from time.

Also, you should add "the Elder Scrolls" and "Vampire Hunter D" to the topic if you want this to gain more traction.

 

[Waria_Kambang]

Bump.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Isn't Alduins erasure Low 2-C?

D's is 2-C

 

[Waria_Kambang]

Erasing the Dovahkiin across the future and the past won't do anything to the Dovahkiin, considering he exist outside of time and causality,

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Remind me, what can the Daedric Artifacts do outside of Mundus Barriers?

 

[ShivaShakti]

Erasing the Dovahkiin across the future and the past won't do anything to the Dovahkiin, considering he exist outside of time and causality,

Akashic Records negate Acausality

Also Acausality doesnt mean you resist Conceptual EE on a 2-C scale.

 

[Waria_Kambang]

As far as I know, It doesn't add any new abilities. It just increase the artifacts' stats and hax potency.

 

[Waria_Kambang]

Akashic Records negate Acausality

Also Acausality doesnt mean you resist Conceptual EE on a 2-C scale.

And Prisoner Metaphysic allows you to exist outside of causality that even a High 1-B God (Sotha Sil) is subjected to. And good luck trying to erase the Dovahkiin on conceptual level, considering that he resist Conceptual manipulation and is a Prisoner, who is a cosmic constant in the dream of the Godhead.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Akashic Records negate Acausality
Also Acausality doesnt mean you resist Conceptual EE on a 2-C scale.

And Prisoner Metaphysic allows you to exist outside of causality that even a High 1-B God (Sotha Sil) is subjected to. And good luck trying to erase the Dovahkiin on conceptual level, considering that he resist Conceptual manipulation and is a Prisoner, who is a cosmic constant in the dream of the Godhead.
Okay still doesnt mean he resists conceptual EE ona 2-C scale.

Also his EE bypasses a good number of resistance layers, and D has innate resistance negation so theres that.

 

[Waria_Kambang]

The Dovahkiin is a Prisoner, a cosmic constant that is directly tied to the dream of the Godhead, as in the Aurbis and events in the Elder Scrolls. To Erase the Dovahkiin on Conceptual level, D would need to be able to erase the concept of the Prisoner, which is not possible with his EE potency.

 

[ShivaShakti]

The Dovahkiin is a Prisoner, a cosmic constant that is directly tied to the dream of the Godhead, as in the Aurbis and events in the Elder Scrolls. To Erase the Dovahkiin on Conceptual level, D would need to be able to erase the concept of the Prisoner, which is not possible with his EE potency.

Then why isn't High 1-B immortality listed on his profile if thats the case?

 

[Lapsad]

The prisoner his free from causality system on his plane of existence reside within it

 

[ShivaShakti]

Okay so which is it?

Does the prisoner have High 1-B immortality with their acausality making them immune to any form of Erasure or Conceptual Manip or no?

 

[Zhepar]

The concept of prisoner is at least High 1-B and Dovahkin is a prisoner, but i think this is the wrong argument to say why he resist, D could attack another dovah concept, the main reason he can't do it( that is releated to prisoner metaphysics) in my opinion is the savior hide, a armor that defended attacks from mehures dagon(a daedric prince, High 1-B) like reality warping and conceptual manipulation and dovah has it, since he is a quantum being using every possible outcome via prisoner.

if you want to know more about dovahkin conceptual resistance, here is the link of the battle we made with i guy with 2-C conceptual manipulation as a main attack, https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2692623

(sorry for my bad english)

 

[ShivaShakti]

The concept of prisoner is at least High 1-B and Dovahkin is a prisoner, but i think this is the wrong argument to say why he resist, D could attack another dovah concept, the main reason he can't do it( that is releated to prisoner metaphysics) in my opinion is the savior hide, a armor that defended attacks from mehures dagon(a daedric prince, High 1-B) like reality warping and conceptual manipulation and dovah has it, since he is a quantum being using every possible outcome via prisoner.
if you want to know more about dovahkin conceptual resistance, here is the link of the battle we made with i guy with 2-C conceptual manipulation as a main attack, https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2692623

(sorry for my bad english)

So Savior's hide gives resistance to Conceptual EE huh? Well aint that interesting.

Well what are Dovahkiin's resistances to Soul Hax, Death Manip, and Power Null?

 

[Zhepar]

He has resistance feats of Soul maniputation and Power Nullification, but i dont remember against death manipulation, even more, i remember threads where the win con of the other peoople was death manipulation against dovah

 

[ShivaShakti]

This might be an incon if i'm honest, but atleast D has a wincon now.

And what was his Soul Manipulation feat again? Was it Soul Cairn? If so how good was his resistance?

Gonna ask the same question for Powernull.

 

[Zhepar]

I believe its soul tear and having a dragon soul,about powernull is not staff of magnus(since its High 1-B), so its probably silence from strong mages, talking about it, what D can do against High 1-B power Null and drain?

 

[ShivaShakti]

I believe its soul tear and having a dragon soul,about powernull is not staff of magnus(since its High 1-B), so its probably silence from strong mages, talking about it, what D can do against High 1-B power Null and drain?

Nothing lol.

Thats why I made this match Dovahkiin has an actual wincon.

But regardless, they both have a wincon... However he would need to pull out his staff an activate it. D on the other hand has thought based Death inducement and crap. Hmmm...

I Know Dovah has thought based BFR too. But does the whole "Thinking is faster than speaking or attacking" even apply to immeasurable speed?

 

[Zhepar]

do you know why people talk so much about prisoner metaphysics its because of this, if dovah can make a first move, that count as a win con, he will use it, so his first move is to use the staff and at his speed happens in the same that D first move, what is D first move when he fights?

 

[ShivaShakti]

do you know why people talk so much about prisoner metaphysics its because of this, if dovah can make a first move, that count as a win con, he will use it, so his first move is to use the staff and at his speed happens in the same that D first move, what is D first move when he fights?

Yes im aware

D's first move is Thought Based Records Spam.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

When both characters are Immeasurable, things like thinking and moving arent any different than normal speed characters from their perspectives

 

[ShivaShakti]

When both characters are Immeasurable, things like thinking and moving arent any different than normal speed characters from their perspectives

Thanks for clarifying

 

[Waria_Kambang]

Question is what ability of Akashic Records does D starts with? If it's Conceptual EE, then It gets resisted and D is send to a place between Tamriel and Oblivion, but if it's something the Dovahkiin doesn't resist (which I'm pretty sure there are abilities from Akashich Records that the Dovahkiin doesn't resist), then it's inconclusive.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Question is what ability of Akashic Records does D starts with? If it's Conceptual EE, then It gets resisted and D is send to a place between Tamriel and Oblivion, but if it's something the Dovahkiin doesn't resist (which I'm pretty sure there are abilities from Akashich Records that the Dovahkiin doesn't resist), then it's inconclusive.

Well D is bloodlusted in his Vampire Form so he's going to use all of the Records lethal powers

This includes Death inducement, Soul hax, Existence Erasure, etc.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

In the TES there are 2 parts to the soul

The soul (the energy etc) which is 1-A so soul resistance is that

And for those that are going to ask "but then they seal a 1-A soul resistance in a cristal with a normal spell?" no

what they seal inside is their memories,emotions, personality etc.

 

[Waria_Kambang]

No, the soul resistance is not 1-A. None of the mortal has 1-A soul resistance.

As for the Dovahkiin's soul resistance, the Dovahkiin has a 4-dimensional soul. This is because the soul of the Dovahkiin is what powers them. Both Arngeir and Miraak explicitly stated this to be the case. If you want a higher-end feat, the Dovahkiin's soul scales above Durnehviir's, who stated that the Ideal Masters, a High 2-A or Low 1-C beings are incapable of possessing his soul.

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

No, the soul resistance is not 1-A. None of the mortal has 1-A soul resistance.
As for the Dovahkiin's soul resistance, the Dovahkiin has a 4-dimensional soul. This is because the soul of the Dovahkiin is what powers them. Both Arngeir and Miraak explicitly stated this to be the case. If you want a higher-end feat, the Dovahkiin's soul scales above Durnehviir's, who stated that the Ideal Masters, a High 2-A or Low 1-C beings are incapable of possessing his soul.

Let me look for the things that ultima said about the soul

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

sorry it was matt not ultima that said this

"All beings in TES have 1-A AE. Because all things in the Dream on a fundamental level are composed of AE. The soul in TES has two layers basically, the Animus and the AE. The Animus is the skin that is composed of personality, experiences and memories, and is recycled endlessly with each reincarnation. The AE is the primal state of Being that defines one's Existence on a fundamental level, which predates the invention of the concepts of Space and Time before the Aurbis formed and the Et'Ada erupted from infinite ineffability.

Because every souls in Elder Scrolls was once an Et'Ada, an Original Spirit unbound by everything save their own consciousness. Quoting Crowley, "Every Man and every Woman is a Star". Which is related to the concept of CHIM which is realizing this truth about yourself and uncoiling the winged splendor of your soul and ascending to royalty to wear a crown of starlight among the heavens.

So yes, the Dovahkiin has a 1-A soul. All things have."

so yea the soul ressistance of the dova is 1-A