Preferably should be put in a blog, but using nuclear pasta is... kinna pushing it?Found this somewhere on facebook, idk:
Goku can carry that stuff.
Katchin is the hardest material in the universe, making it more dense than Nuclear Pasta. (1e17kg/m³)
Goku: 173px/175cm
Block: 124 = (124/173)*175 = 125.433526012cm or 1.25433526012m
Volume: 1.97351709259m³
Mass: 1e17*1.97351709259 = 1.9735171e+17kg (Class P)
Is that legit?
In that case we can either go with tungsten (Due to it having a history of being used in hard penetrator cores for bullets) or with osmium (Densest singular element humans know of ATM).
Hmmm, DDM has a fair point, and as you said, it wouldn't be a relevant feat.
Technically, Nuclear Pasta is actually both. It's the densest material known in the universe, anf thus is also the hardest material in the universe, as it's virtually indestructable and probably couldn't be penetrated without objects made of nuclear pasta as well
Yeah but he still was pretty outmatched as SSJ against Dabura. He needed SSJ2 to do it, and that was a Trunks that had training with the Z sword, as well as being several years older than the Trunks who fought Cell
I wanna make sure, was trunks training with the Z sword and struggling against dabura canon in both the manga and anime of super? That's because we can't back scale stuff from super back to DBZ because DBZ is the canon while super has 2 different canons.
Yes. It's canon to both versions
That fight between Cell and Dabura is the same in both versions. In both the anime and the manga Trunks needs SSJ2 to beat Dabura, and couldn't do it with just SSJ
Okay.
Why wouldn't they downscale as wel? Keep in mind that the Trunks that fought Cell doesn't scale to Dabura at all, especially since he both got a few years of training beforehand, as well as getting training from the Z Sword before he fought Dabura, and just to defeat Dabura Trunks needed SSJ2 so SSJ Trunks also doesn't scale at all to Dabura's full power
Says who? We don't know by how much he powered up when finally using his full power
Yes, but even Goku fought relatively well against this held back Cell. Enough to seriously damage him with his instant kamehameha, and Gohan was able to dodge his death beams and survive Cell's attack with not that much damage. Even after the bear hug he was pretty much fine as he was not hindered at all when he turned SSJ2 against Cell. And again, even Goku's power impressed Cell, and he noted that he's on a completely different level than anyone else (aside from Gohan)
Yeah this is headcanon unless you can prove that this is what Cell thought. Cell also said that Goku is the first one to give him some fun and not be a complete waste of time for him.
More headcanon
I'm not so sure. Cell purposely let himself be hit by Vegeta's final flash, and was completely fine afterwards (even faking his pain to fool Vegeta that he can win), but with Goku, Cell actually was hurt and tired from the attack, and while he was strong enough to easily beat Goku afterwards, he was still pretty tired, which is why Goku gave him a senzu bean
The reason he huffed and puffed afterward and needed a Senzu Bean before going into battle with Gohan was because Regeneration is a painful and taxing process.
I find iffy to use Nuclear Pasta when most people don't even know what it is, also i think it would be better if we focus to the scaling for the moment.Found this somewhere on facebook, idk:
Goku can carry that stuff.
Katchin is the hardest material in the universe, making it more dense than Nuclear Pasta. (1e17kg/m³)
Goku: 173px/175cm
Block: 124 = (124/173)*175 = 125.433526012cm or 1.25433526012m
Volume: 1.97351709259m³
Mass: 1e17*1.97351709259 = 1.9735171e+17kg (Class P)
According to freeza, Namekian Regen makes someone lose power too.
Yes, but there's no denying Goku seriously hurted him in that blast. Sure he regenerated from it, but it was still a very powerful attack
Because goku and gohan have no scaling to either full power cell, SSJ trunks or base trunks, all their scaling is to suppressed cell, wven dabura said he'd easily clap gohan if they fought again.
We are creating the gap right now by knowing the gap between ssj trunks and cell. Also it may be unknown but everyone including Goku was shocked at how much cell was holding back.
It does not matter how well they did, all their scaling is to a suppressed cell and he still clapped all of them easily.
Base cell saga saiyans, ginyu scaling hasn't been resolved and gotten derailed, nobody mentioned gotenks yet but noone disagreed either.
Yeah, we're good here.
Buu Saga Base Goku and Vegeta scaling to Shin is still applicable.
And Trunks in the fight against Cell doesn't scale to Dabura either, who is equal to Perfect Cell, as he needed SSJ2 to even beat him. SSJ Trunks was no match for Dabura even after several years he trained after he killed Cell, and training with the Z Sword too, so Goku and Gohan should scale to this Trunks, as both of them downscale from characters with the same powers (Dabura and Cell)
Goku actually knew Perfect Cell's strength the entire time. Even during the 10 days before the Cell Games, Goku just relaxed as he knew Gohan's hidden power (SSJ2) would be able to defeat Cell easily. And also reading the chapter again, Goku wasn't really shocked by Cell's power, as he knew all along that Cell is weaker than SSJ2 Gohan, and he himself never intended to be the one that will beat Cell
Yes it does, because that means that Goku and Gohan downscales from Perfect Cell. And while yes they're obviously much weaker than Perfect Cell, the reason why I mentioning this is to show that they're not totally incomparable, as even SSJ Goku could fight suppressed Cell well enough that Cell would actually be impressed with his power (and if he would be that much stronger than Goku to the point they cannot even be compared, then Cell will certainly not enjoy his battle with Goku or Gohan and defeat them with ease like he did with Vegeta before to finish the Cell Games)
If so, then Gohan scales too, since he fought well enough against Dabura to have a relatively equal battle, and Gohan's power either stagnated or weakened in those 7 years between the Cell and Buu Saga.
Sorta makes no sense because we still have base Kamiccolo being right up there in Android 17 territory, it'd be ludicrous to assume that Goku and co. wouldn't have trained hard enough to be at least stronger than Kamiccolo in base mode alone.
Thank you. I will unsubscribe then.
If they have feats and/or Statements that supports then boom, we can scale the Base Saiyans there, I was just saying that if there was no statements or feats, then we don't have much going for the base Saiyans.
No. Dabura and cell upscale from trunks, goku and gohan downscale from suppressed cell. It doesn't matter how much weaker trunks is than perfect cell, it just means the gap between suppressed cell and full power cell is just thst much larger, which it was implied to be.
They don't downscale from full power, but from suppressed cell. They may be kind of close to suppressed cell, but cell was ultimately still suppressed. Goku was impressive to him when he was in that suppressed state.
Nooooo, dabura was holding back massively against gohan, he himself said he'd easily slap gohan in their second encounter, oh and this gap would be comparable to full power cell and SSJ gohan which is huge. SSJ2 Gohan in the buu saga scales above SSJ goku in the buu saga who slaps eveyone we've talked about before.
No it doesn't, since Trunks has no scaling to suppressed Perfect Cell, and while everyone (but Goku and Gohan) were shocked by Cell's power, there's nothing that implies how big the gap is.
Suppressed Cell downscale from full power, and Goku and Gohan are close to the level of suppressed Perfect Cell. Cell being impressed with Goku's power means he should be way inferior to Cell's full power, but still on the same general league as him (as in, they're not completely incomparable to him). Cell actually enjoyed the battle with Goku to the point that he destroyed his own arena just so Goku will not be eliminated by ring out, unlike with Vegeta or Trunks, who Cell did not enjoyed the battle with them even when Trunks surpassed his initial suppressed state, and found their performances lacking, prompting him to give them time to improve so they'll be worth something in terms of power
Can you show the scan for it? And Gohan was lasting pretty well against Perfect Cell even after hitting him many times and bear hugging him, as he wasn't hindered as SSJ2 against him
Saying "I used half my power" doesn't apply to speed because the character could just be holding back the punches despite being at 100%. Freeza's case is different because he gave an explicit percentage and said he was not using his energy beyond that.
Again, we just concluded a CRT where we proved that higher ki= higher speed, power, durability and aerial capabilities, etc.
Are you telling me that Android 17 was at his top speed when he has fought Future Gohan while also using only half of his strength?
Yes there is, it's trunks' scaling to dabura with the z sword, that is how big the gap that cell upscales from that trunks is. And you're right trunks has no scaling to suppressed cell, he scales above him and cells full power upscales from trunks.
Wrong, suppressed cell no longer downscales from his full power, as his suppressed form doesn't scale to SSJ trunks only his full power does. Which means his suppressed form scales to a different value than his full power. Again cell was enjoying his fight with goku, but in his suppressed state, doesn't impact goku scaling to cells full power at all. Especially since, gohan who is stronger than goku got slapped by the suppressed cell who at full power shook the earth and shocked everyone, cell should be far stronger than goku regardless, he was just holding back when he praised him.
Scan for what? Dabura saying he'll clap gohan? Or cell bullying gohan? Dabura scan is this. ( chapter 459 page 2)
Usually power means ki, so I'm only using 50% power would be ki, just like what frieza said, so it would be all his stats halved. Also, what even is the difference between 17's 50% statement and frieza's?
Exactly my thoughts. There's literally no difference here.
Freeza: "I only need 50% of my power to turn you into spatial dust"
