exactly, that would make GT characters 2-C
I agree with what you said but are you saying the wiki doesn’t accept uni sized heaven?Hello, I wasn't present for the previous thread that Zamasu-chan had made but I've read through it and would like to give my thoughts on the arguments made on both sides, and add on to them.
-Popo states that all of the past present and future are created in this room (The Room of Time): One extremely important thing that I have not seen mentioned in this thread thus far or the one that preceded it, is Mr Popo's status and how it reflects on this statement. Not many know this but Mr Popo was actually born in the Afterlife, stated in Daizenshuu 7.
This automatically gives his word on the temporal natures of the DBZ macrocosm the upmost of credibility, his words should not be taken lightly when figuring out the Z cosmology.
-It says "Separated by time and space, the harsh trials that the sleeping father and son must face continue on and on." Goku is in the afterlife and Gohan is on earth. The Narrator says they’re both separated by time and space. That's a super blatant statement that heavily implies that the universe and afterlife are two different spacetime continuums.: I've seen that the argument made against this statement is that it's 'just using flowery language'. I'd like to make it known that this argument is very, very weak and I wholeheartedly believe that no one would have even entertained it as an actual argument had it not come from a mod with high sway in the community. Nevertheless it did, and from what I've seen the overwhelming majority of the wiki shares the view that it is a non-argument and have made their points.
Even after seeing that, AKM you have continued to repeat it's use as an argument and even tried to point us out for being the ones to rehash 'debunked repeated arguments'. AKM, do you believe that your view holds more weight than the majority of the wiki even though the common consensus is that the evidence supports their side? Have you not considered that the majority's perspective isn't just coming from ignorance, but maybe that your view is the wrong one?
-Pixel scaling these specific images gives heaven a volume of 264405000000m^3 which is the size of a mountain. This makes no sense because all mortals in the universe are supposed to fit on heaven. We also know in DB that not everything is drawn to scale all the time: Official guidebooks have stated that the DB macrocosm holds Universe sized constructs within it far too much to be ignored.
If anything, the arguments made here go hand in hand with making a point for the Otherworld being a higher dimensional plane.
Pan states that the strange place Goku goes to in "Otherworld" is "a place between space-times":
And with this statement, we finish the gauntlet of the Toeiverse with all three series, DB DBZ and DBGT each alluding, stating or making reference to the fact that the Toeiverse is 2-C. Lightning doesn't strike twice, let alone thrice.
Agree FRA.
we really need a proper debate thread about this one day for the one time (i know it's against the rules), it's always done to death in threads where the outcome doesn't matter
I’m pretty sure if 2 space times are being destroyed it’d be 2-C like Beerus and Champa (but they both got low 2-C because they need both of them to perform the feat) but even if you say its still a 3-A feat Universe 7 should become 2-C
DDM agrees with the cosmology but disagrees with anyone scaling with it I think and AKM says he has the same reasonings from last time but we addressed his reasons and he hasn’t typed since but besides that there’s not been much input
Hmm. It seems like much of this intended revision has likely been rejected then.
All of our points that hinge on the source material have been rejected on the basis of one non-factual point by AKM, his own personal interpretation of a clear line that does not line up with the source material and neither is it shared by the majority of the community as has been made clear by this revision
Could AKM atleast explain his reasoning? I think this is sufficient evidence and doesn’t have anyway to disprove besides “flowery language” which has been addressed within the thread
Isn't that the same problem with Super?
The difference is that GoD have omnidirectional explosions that destroy the 2 universes instantly and they both upscale from Zamasu who has merged with space-time and "Transcended law and order"
Do you agree with the cosmology upgrade? That’s what I’m mostly looking for
not really, a cosmology change is huge here
why would "transcended law and order" scale anywhere even in this context???
he either fused with spacetime or has abstract existence, these are mutually exclusive.
He had abstract existence and then fused with the space time of the universe
