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Again. So desperate to debunk you stop making sense. Yes nothingness can be punched, manipulated etc. Out of the most absurd things in fiction it's a void with no space nor time getting affected that's unusual
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Dragon Ball Super - Jiren and Co. Upgrade via Void Scaling
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I bet you are ignoring my whole comment.
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There are no rules. WoV is at the end of the day a “structure”. And you can destroy “a structure”.
Actually, people scale him to outerversal anyway. This hobby is subjective.
Stop being mad at the random user in a random forum. Drink water and breathe air and come back.
I don't know do you mean here.
Preferably, read what AKM says right now.
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So when people destroy space time they're destroying molecules?
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ok go into outer space and start punching around you
I'll be waiting, since apparently you have this ability or something
anyways you're just being a stone wall I'm not gonna do this with you, I'm just praying that nobody else believes this bullshit that "goku can punch nothing, because nothingness is a thing that exists therefore he can punch it"
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So if destroying a multiverse is just destroying molecules then why does tier 2 exist? Everything would just be 3-A
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This is why it's fiction... People punch in outer space, we can't punch in outer space
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bro still using irl logic here. Oh naw
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Yea going all out will result in them not doing their assigned task of testing the durability of stage but to Annihilate it entirely which will displease zeno
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you can only let fiction do stupid bullshit like this when it's shown to be possible
otherwise, a reasonable person would assume that they shook everything within the void, not the nothingness itself.
Just because breaking bad is fiction doesn't mean walter white can shoot lasers and ignore gravity, just because there's talking animals in the jungle book doesn't mean they also have npi and time manipulation
stop using these stupid, ignorant, out of context, completely obtuse fiction based arguments
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@ZillertheBucko just let loose of the empty space point. There are other points to address. Akm sama's latest comment summarises them all.
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Why can't nothingness be shook? If it was stated that it was shaken then why are you against it?
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IF YOU WANT THEM TO HAVE NPI AND VOID MANIP THEN MAKE A GOD DAMN CRT, WE DON'T ASSUME WE DO PHYSICS BREAKING THINGS WITHOUT HAVING THE ABILITIES TO BEGIN WITH
never have I seen an argument so trash on my entire time being on this website. this is just frustrating to put up with. You'd have known this too had you even read the thing you replied to
ughuuuguhhhhhhhh
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Leave him man, he is using irl logic and applying it in fiction. Let him get a break and eat something.
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You better take a break right now. Getting mad over fiction won't solve anything.
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when people say the earth shook, they're not talking about the atmosphere and the air, they're talking about the matter in it
when people say "the galaxy shook" they mean the stars and planets, they have never meant the nothingness in between those planets
when people say "the world of void shook" they mean the shit that's inside, not the empty space, which we would default to assuming they cannot interact with
stop. stop. stop. stop it. bad.
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he's claiming npi without npi being something he has to begin with
I am not going to ignore a goofy ass take that even the wiki doesn't acknowledge
he needs to make a crt before even beginning to argue with me about the empty space thing
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Lol that was just to prove to you that nothingness can be touched, punched and manipulated. Even things that are non existent can be punched
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IT CAN BE TOUCHED, IF YOU HAVE THE ABILITY
GOKU DOES NOT HAVE THE ABILITY
STOP
STOP
STOP
STOP
STOP
STOP IT
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The author said the WOV shook. It means it shook, that's all there is to it tbh
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@JOLTxx @ZillertheBucko let's leave this empty space thing without replying me or trying to blame anyone, there are others and better points to be discussed that AKM Sama has mentioned.
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Simple fact. Hit used time abilities , implying there was spacetime as both co-exist. Simple case closed.
I am gonna unfollow this shit storm before I get brain damage.
I am gonna unfollow this shit storm before I get brain damage.
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I wasn't specifically talking about Goku when I said that but "Likely Non-Physical Interaction (Caused a ripple effect on Infinite Zamasu via a Ki blast and blocked intangible ki blasts from Hit)" . This is from Goku's page, go check it out
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The dude getting angry over fiction, he made this page dirty ngl. Let's wait for staff, please.
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Alright
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the npi they have beats intangible things, but things that still exist it has nothing to do with actual nothingness
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I'm not mad about the fiction, I am simply disappointed in the very much non fictional human beings who are being goofy on this thread
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My dude listen to me. I’ve gone over this argument time and time again. I’m just gonna be straight up and say the WoV argument is solid. Almost bulletproof against the opposition. It is truly almost getting tiring going over it again and again to establish why it’s simply a better argument. So I’m gonna lay down the fundamental reasons why and you just happen to be the unfortunate victim for this info dumb.
What you said doesn’t make sense because the analogies I presented were instances where ki control was not a viable solution. Goku vs Beerus was literally all about not having proper ki control. And the other example I brought up was literally 2 GOD’s fighting on Earth. You even mention this and acknowledge that both Beerus and Champa were going all out in the baseball episode. They were even stopped because their universes were gonna get destroyed.
If that’s the case why didn’t earth blow up? They were fighting on earth so why didn’t it get annihilated. Ki control is not a viable explanation here. They were stopped cause the universe was about to be destroyed. The reason the earth didn’t blow up is the same reason the stage doesn’t blow up. It’s cause everything simply gets destroyed at once when it’s about the be destroyed.
No it’s both a much larger leap to assume they’re holding back to any significant degree and goes against the established narrative in the series. I’ll explain.
What you are arguing for is this: “2 GOD’s can fight each other but not give out 2C’s of energy.” This goes against literally everything said and established about 2 GOD’s fighting. It’s taboo for them to do so. So clearly they can’t fight each other without resulting in 2C levels of energy being let out. Because they can’t. It’s a rule they can’t.
You then proceed to make this statement more illogical in the argument by introducing a third GOD into the equation.
And then you proceed to further make this statement even more confused when you factor in that they are in an area in which they do not need to hold back. So they can’t stop themselves from destroying 2 whole universes just from fighting one another. But 3 of them are for some reason holding back enough to not dish out what 2 of them can accomplish involuntarily while fighting in an area where they don’t have to hold back to please someone above them.
This then gets even worse when you factor in that the WoV was said to withstand you to 4 GOD’s fighting one another. One of them simply declined but the fact that 4 GOD’s are said to be able to fight one another in the WoV indisputably proves that it can withstand 2C energy because even them going as little as 50% of their energy while fighting still provides the same energy as 2C output.
kind of TLDR:
To put this into perspective here’s all the assumptions you have to make for your argument to work.
1) The GOD’s are using < 50% of their power while fighting in the WoV despite then being in an area where they don’t need to hold back and were said to have taken it too far even while doing so.
2) 3 GOD’s fighting are somehow able to to control their power enough to not dish out 2C output despite 2 of them fighting being forbidden because they can’t control their power enough to not output 2C energy.
3) GOD’s need 100% of their energy to destroy 2 universes in the first place despite this simply being a result of them fighting.
And this is the fundamental reason why the WoV argument works. Because even giving you all of these assumptions. Saying the GODS need to go all out to destroy 2 universes and even saying they’re holding back when fighting one another. The WoV can withstand at least 3 and up to 4 of them fighting at once so even going as little as half their strength the logic would still apply. Meanwhile if you change literally anything about the assumptions you make. Your argument immediately falls apart.
It’s simply a better position with less assumption.
And please “blood to appear in super” is like trying to find a needle in a haystack. Blood appears in super very minimally, but that doesn’t mean each character isn’t going all out or giving it their all or being damaged by said attacks.
Also also here is the direct quote from Whis and Vados:
Whis: “Two Gods of destruction must never fight one another.”
Vados: “Such a fight would mean the annihilation for both universe 6 and 7.”
I think the words are clear. And the logic still applies.
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I don't really see much of the problem, and it's not like two GoDs going all out is what's needed to cause the destruction of 2 respective universes. We have seen in the baseball episode that even a small dose of Beerus and Champa lightly sparring was jeopardizing both universes. And Jiren shaking the WoV when three GoD didn't really have the power do that; when they appeared to be considerably more serious compared to the Beerus Vs Champa.
But if higher up staff, are really in strong distaste, I suppose reversing most upgrades is fine except the Angels should stay a solid 2-C and not just likely. There were some other upgrades planned based on the new movie; where Goku, Vegeta, and Broly all appear to have upcoming Tier 2 upgrades going to their base forms now.
But if higher up staff, are really in strong distaste, I suppose reversing most upgrades is fine except the Angels should stay a solid 2-C and not just likely. There were some other upgrades planned based on the new movie; where Goku, Vegeta, and Broly all appear to have upcoming Tier 2 upgrades going to their base forms now.
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True and false. Yes there was no winner which is likely due to 3 of them being comparable to eachother but saying nobody was trying to win is false as their intent was to please zeno while establishing their superiority over other universes. In other to establish superiority you need to demonstrate strength and this is one of the reasons why they likely weren't holding back.
Beerus and champa both fought prior to that baseball game just swapping hands and they were endangering their universes. Also It's been established that Beerus can easily destroy his universe and with the events that took place in BOG arc proves this.
You're are also ignoring context. The reason why the tournament was held in WOV would answer this. Two Gods fighting can destroy two universes so how best to solve that? Let them fight in WOV which is away from the universe and it's empty so there's nothing to destroy. The gods who were prohibited to fight because it would lead to the destruction of more than one universe were allowed to fight in WOV, to they were allowed to "prove their superiority" and "take things to far" they were allowed to use all sorts of powerful ki attacks whereas when Beerus and champa fought they never in any instance used ki attacks and yet just them trading blows and kicks was putting two universes at risk. The 3 gods put in more effort than Beerus and champa's little scuffle because not only did three of them fight head to head to please zeno they were also dishing out powerful ki attacks something that they couldn't do against eachother were they fighting in universe. And despite that it didn't pose any effect to WOV like Goku and jiren individually did.
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None of that means they were holding back to any significant degree whatsoever. They explicitly said that they were using their power to demonstrate superiority
No I believe you are missing some contexts here. Because you are asserting that GOD’s of destruction “can” fight without destroying the universe. This goes against literally what was established in the series.
Here is the direct quote:
Whis: “Two GOD’s must never fight with one another.”
Vados: “Such a fight would mean the annihilating for both universe 6 and 7.”
It is an established fact within the series that 2 GOD’s cannot fight without resulting in 2C. So to say that 3 GOD’s fighting can hold themselves back enough to not perform the 2C feat, goes against the series itself.
I don’t need to say they were using 100% of their power to test the ring. I can say they were using as little as 65% of their power since that outputs the same levels of energy for the 2C feat. In fact it can go as far as 50% since the WoV was said to be able to withstand 4 GOD’s fighting at once. And the logic still applies.
But to assume they’re holding back and holding back to further and further degrees is simply a larger assumption on your part.
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Was earth there to be a test for durability? No.
We do know that earth not getting destroyed was plot demand as it'll be mess to proceed further, proceeding further stage was the centre of all attention there and we are saying it's suffered with plot? Why it can't be said for wov itself to be suffered with plot.
Regardless they just did what were said to nothing more. I don't see any reason so far to say they were going all out to test durability but just were having competition within the boundaries of assigned task if goes any further it'll Annihilate the stage and durability will not be tested which will result in zeno getting displeased.
And that's a long post there you have try to keep it short man
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I mean the GoDs clearly had their auras flared up which Beerus and Champa never did when they risked the universes and were immediately stopped too.
The UIO>everything shown onscreen up to then scaling seems hammered home up to then, outright describing his power up as a “never before seen torrent of Ki.” How can’t this be taken as a confirmation of UIO>clashing gods, as it describes his outputted Ki as being unprecedented, however clashing GoDs have been acknowledged and shown on more than one occasion.
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Because this has nothing to do with op entirely new thing leave it.I mean the GoDs clearly had their auras flared up which Beerus and Champa never did when they risked the universes and were immediately stopped too.
The UIO>everything shown onscreen up to then scaling seems hammered home up to then by, outright describing his power up as a “never before seen torrent of Ki.” How can’t this be taken as a confirmation of UIO>clashing gods, as it describes his outputted Ki as being unprecedented, however clashing GoDs have been acknowledged and shown on more than one occasion.
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Alright to keep it short:
It doesn’t matter if the earth wasn’t being tested for durability because 2 GOD’s fighting don’t care about the earth’s durability at all. They’re dishing out universal levels of energy with no ki control and the earth is just fine. The same thing can be said for the stage. Everything just gets destroyed at once instead of pieces I guess. Or you could say plot too since the plot there was to simply test the durability of the stage, therefore whatever damage the stage sustained was specifically for the purposes of the plot. So the argument goes both ways.
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