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Many believe Dragon ball is currently at the universal level mostly due to the infamous fist clash. Firstly there are 2 things people ignore from the fist clash.
And it’s the fact that both Goku and Beerus were stated to have been completely destroyed by the destruction of the universe as well as the shockwaves getting stronger the further they traveled.
This pretty much makes it clear that They can’t survive the universe being destroyed because it’s not done by their own power
“But old kai is lying and it’s just a perspective thing”
Completely false, it is NEVER stated to be a perspective thing, the only thing that goku states is that he was trying to nullify the technique and that’s it. Nowhere does it imply that because goku was doing that it was somehow making old kai think and lie about it. Old kai statement still stands.
“But the narrator”
The narrator also says Beerus went full power
Narrator says things for the moment but the narrator is unreliable. Narrator stated beerus got tired from goku’s fight which is obviously not true.
Narrator is meant to hype up and only says things for the moment. The narrator in context is talking about how their previous punching were creating shockwaves which can destroy the universe, it does not mean their own power.
“But whis”
Whis is talking about the shockwaves themselves, they have enough power to destroy the entire universe. Not only that, but Whis said he couldn’t stop the power that can end the universe which further proves the shockwaves got far stronger than both goku and beerus and even Whis who drastically upscales above them
I know what some might say “but Whis was being persuaded”
While that is correct, he wasn’t being persuaded on stopping the shockwaves, he was being persuaded on stopping the fight itself aka the point of impact that is far weaker than the shockwaves
“But beerus nullified the super dense energy beam”
Yes, that i true however the same super dense energy beam was also producing the shockwaves which old kai stated get much stronger than point of impact
And beerus only nullified the point of impact which is far weaker than the shockwaves themselves
Beerus being capable of destroying universe would completely contradict whis and old kai statements, which definitely hold truth
He only nullified the point of impact, which is not impressive.
“But Beerus is stated that he can destroy the universe”
And? No timeframe=no feat
That is as legit as universal frieza, universal Cell, and universal buu which is not true at all, there is no timeframe.
Statements of someone who can wipe out the universe is common and has been a thing since namek saga frieza
It's nothing special and just hyperbolic used to hype up. There is also no timeframe so irrelevant.
“But Kefla”
It was the tournament of power, the battle between all universes. Kefla stating she can one shot a universe meant she can one shot an entire team
Kefla being capable of one shotting universe would mean she would be able to one shot beerus who can’t survive the destruction of universe 7
And it’s the fact that both Goku and Beerus were stated to have been completely destroyed by the destruction of the universe as well as the shockwaves getting stronger the further they traveled.
This pretty much makes it clear that They can’t survive the universe being destroyed because it’s not done by their own power
“But old kai is lying and it’s just a perspective thing”
Completely false, it is NEVER stated to be a perspective thing, the only thing that goku states is that he was trying to nullify the technique and that’s it. Nowhere does it imply that because goku was doing that it was somehow making old kai think and lie about it. Old kai statement still stands.
“But the narrator”
The narrator also says Beerus went full power
Narrator says things for the moment but the narrator is unreliable. Narrator stated beerus got tired from goku’s fight which is obviously not true.
Narrator is meant to hype up and only says things for the moment. The narrator in context is talking about how their previous punching were creating shockwaves which can destroy the universe, it does not mean their own power.
“But whis”
Whis is talking about the shockwaves themselves, they have enough power to destroy the entire universe. Not only that, but Whis said he couldn’t stop the power that can end the universe which further proves the shockwaves got far stronger than both goku and beerus and even Whis who drastically upscales above them
I know what some might say “but Whis was being persuaded”
While that is correct, he wasn’t being persuaded on stopping the shockwaves, he was being persuaded on stopping the fight itself aka the point of impact that is far weaker than the shockwaves
“But beerus nullified the super dense energy beam”
Yes, that i true however the same super dense energy beam was also producing the shockwaves which old kai stated get much stronger than point of impact
And beerus only nullified the point of impact which is far weaker than the shockwaves themselves
Beerus being capable of destroying universe would completely contradict whis and old kai statements, which definitely hold truth
He only nullified the point of impact, which is not impressive.
“But Beerus is stated that he can destroy the universe”
And? No timeframe=no feat
That is as legit as universal frieza, universal Cell, and universal buu which is not true at all, there is no timeframe.
Statements of someone who can wipe out the universe is common and has been a thing since namek saga frieza
It's nothing special and just hyperbolic used to hype up. There is also no timeframe so irrelevant.
“But Kefla”
It was the tournament of power, the battle between all universes. Kefla stating she can one shot a universe meant she can one shot an entire team
Kefla being capable of one shotting universe would mean she would be able to one shot beerus who can’t survive the destruction of universe 7
