DB COSMOLOGY DOWNGRADE

[Hellsing]

Dragon ball cosmology debunk​

Many individuals believe dragon ball cosmology is some large multiverse with each universe being greater in size than a normal universe and having separate space-time continuums.

That is completely false however, firstly the macrocosm map is not supposed to be used to scale. Look at its map. The map is inconsistent in size and is obviously not the true size of the universe

1. We see king kai planet being bigger than supreme kai planet which is obviously not true
2. We see mountains in hell bigger than supreme kai planet which is also not true
3. We see snakeway in length is halfway the entire macrocosm, which is also not true
4. We see king yemma palace bigger than supreme kai planet and about 10% of the length of the macrocosm, which is also not true
5. We see heaven and grand kaio planet comparison, which is wrong since we see them compared to each other actually and it's nowhere near the same as the macrocosm implies

Everything contradicts the macrocosm used to scale.

In fact we see the actual universe 6 and 7 when super shenron is summoned and it's nowhere near the same as the macrocosm. The actual universes look like what I just showed, backed several times in DBS

Many argue that the DB universe 7 has separate space-time because of 2 things

1. Narrator says goku and the others were separated by space-time
2. Supreme kai calls mortal world the “temporal world”

Firstly those two statements are not canon. They are from toeiverse aka not canon to dbz kai or dbz manga, and definitely not canon to dbs.

There’s also the fact that all the 12 universes exist inside a single timeline, they cannot be separated space-time continuums

this is prove several times when they talk about timelines, they mention “space-time”

When Goku black went to the main timeline, he called it a path in space-time. When beerus killed zamasu, he said “there is no way a god killing another god won’t have an affect on space-time” which is referring to affect on timelines.

It’s made clear only the timelines are separate space-time continuums, not a single “macrocosm”. Whis even says “a time in your world” when talking about timelines
And when they talk about the past, present and future it's made clear that all the 12 universes exist in the same past present and future

 

[Dalesean027]

Isn't this basically already talked about in this ongoing thread with scans and such

https://vsbattles.com/threads/battle-of-gods-3-a-downgrade.141100/

 

[Hasty12345]

Many argue that the DB universe 7 has separate space-time because of 2 things

1. Narrator says goku and the others were separated by space-time
2. Supreme kai calls mortal world the “temporal world”

This isn't accepted on the wiki, so you don't have to worry about that.

There’s also the fact that all the 12 universes exist inside a single timeline, they cannot be separated space-time continuums

strictly speaking, timelines can house lower timelines, however, it is currently accepted that DB doesn't adhere to the more radical of the consequences of this standard (being 3-A multiverse or low 1-C hypertimelines) - with obviously the 2-C rating still holding for characters like Zeno and Angels.

 

[Lewis]

You've quoted the context of the universe, which according to its semantic context, should have separate space times. as you say, Beerus will be the god of destruction in every universe, which is a contradiction.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

what on earth is blud waffling on about

 

[Aachintya31]

Anything in fiction isn't really made to be on SCALE.

 

[Aachintya31]

This feels more like a debunk to 2-C DB cosmology which is already not accepted on the wiki.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Half of this is just bringing up stuff we haven't accepted on the wiki, other parts are just being discussed on the other thread, and the rest goes against our discussion rules.

 

[Vietthai96]

Can we, stop for once, abusing visuals and using them as main arguments????. With visual logic, i could debunk a lot of verse and their cosmology

 

[Gasper]

Can we, stop for once, abusing visuals and using them as main arguments????. With visual logic, i could debunk a lot of verse and their cosmology

Exactly

 

[FluffyCreatureZ]

Damn I guess the db universe is only as big as a galaxy.

 

[Vietthai96]

Damn I guess the db universe is only as big as a galaxy.

Goku, Whis, Grand Priest and Zeno all larger than a galaxy

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Can we, stop for once, abusing visuals and using them as main arguments????. With visual logic, i could debunk a lot of verse and their cosmology

Do it. It'd be funny.

 

[Gasper]

Do it. It'd be funny.

Lmaoo

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I'm just going to go ahead and close this thread if people are just going to spam joke comments.