Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Phsccarvalho]

i think about DB connecting with DBXV someday or DBH

With these two games I don't think so, I really doubt it.

But the introduction of the Kaioshin of Time, time patrol, the Demon Realm and consequently other characters, I see. I'm actually surprised there isn't something like that.

The demonic kingdom, the demonic version of kaioshins, etc. was already mentioned by Akira but he never even touched on it.

And the existence of the Kaioshin of Time and the patrol I think fits well with the canonical.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

With these two games I don't think so, I really doubt it.

But the introduction of the Kaioshin of Time, time patrol, the Demon Realm and consequently other characters, I see. I'm actually surprised there isn't something like that.

The demonic kingdom, the demonic version of kaioshins, etc. was already mentioned by Akira but he never even touched on it.

And the existence of the Kaioshin of Time and the patrol I think fits well with the canonical.

I also think, i'm almost sure i remember that in DBH there is also a law against changing the past, but it would be interesting to see game stuff in the anime, just like Android 21

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

dear god...

I can't wait to be 50 and still watching DB

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

DBS being immortal is neat, not a fan of endings

 

[RedReaper]

DBS being immortal is neat, not a fan of endings

Dragon Ball becoming the Animanga Equivalent of Marvel and DC Comics:

 

[omegabronic]

DBX and DBH becoming cannon

oh that would..........that wouldn't be good, they are such a mess of their own, them mixing with main canon cannot end well

 

[Huesito88]

oh that would..........that wouldn't be good, they are such a mess of their own, them mixing with main canon cannot end well

I got a better idea, how about make (literally) everything licensed that was made canon (obviously not Goku form Dragon Ball Evolution)

 

[HelloThere1089]

I know there are a lot of different canons in the franchise, but purely looking at the narrative and intent, who is depicted as more of a powerhouse? Broly or Cumber?

 

[RedReaper]

I know there are a lot of different canons in the franchise, but purely looking at the narrative and intent, who is depicted as more of a powerhouse? Broly or Cumber?

If we’re talking Z Broly, Broly. Broly consistently returns with even higher forms. Even the enemies they fight are entirely different. Cumber fought SSBKK Vegito by himself. Broly, upon his return as a SFPSSJ4:LB boxed both that and Xeno Vegito (in that very same form Broly is in), at ONCE.

I’m no SDBH expert, but it seems pretty clear that Broly is just considered superior.

Super? No clue.

And if you mean Z Broly from his “canon” set of films, uh, probably Cumber?

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

oh that would..........that wouldn't be good, they are such a mess of their own, them mixing with main canon cannot end well

It's funny to think about that Super is canon to Xenoverse and Heroes but Xenoverse and Heroes aren't canon to Super, giving the former two any benefits of any potential cosmology upgrades to itself without having to lift a damn finger

But yeah I agree with you, especially when you realize that the CC timeline within itself isn't one to one the same as the canon timeline. I mean just the fact that various Z era movies like World's Strongest, Tree of Might, the Cooler movies, and Bojack Unbound happened in the CC timeline should be enough of an indication to say that Heroes isn't canon to Super despite it being the other way around. And when you have the official production team of Heroes considering stuff like Universe Mission and Big Bang Mission as being a what if continuation to the anime...yeah.

 

[RedReaper]

Huh. It occurs to me that Death Battle may have been onto something by assuming “True God” status makes you immune to Ki/Life Force Stealing and could explain Buu. (The example they used). Shin and Kibito are, interestingly, incompatible with the Energy Robbery methods Babidi used (Magic.) Now, technically, it’s not hard proof, nor does it actually establish actual, concrete resistance, but it is interesting and could explain why Buu (who absorbed a Kai) could not be affected by Moro’s Energy Robbery method (Magic).

It’s just a nugget for thought as I consider what I’ve been looking over, recently.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Huh. It occurs to me that Death Battle may have been onto something by assuming “True g**” status makes you immune to Ki/Life Force Stealing and could explain Buu. (The example they used). Shin and Kibito are, interestingly, incompatible with the Energy Robbery methods Babidi used (Magic.) Now, technically, it’s not hard proof, nor does it actually establish actual, concrete resistance, but it is interesting and could explain why Buu (who absorbed a Kai) could not be affected by Moro’s Energy Robbery method (Magic).

It’s just a nugget for thought as I consider what I’ve been looking over, recently.

Would "true g*" be refering to anyone with g* ki or just with status of a g*? If it's the later I can see it making sense but if it's about g* ki then that gets contradicted by the Moro arc with Moro being able to steal from Goku and Vegeta in their g** forms

I know I censored the word "God" a lot, I'm just tryna stay religious

 

[RenderGK]

or simply moro can negate vegueta and goku's god ki resistance.

Since in the past Moro did not absorb the powers of the kaioshin who fought against him.

or kaioshin have a layer of resistance.

 

[RenderGK]

or only kaioshin and true gods have resistance

 

[RedReaper]

Would "true g*" be refering to anyone with g* ki or just with status of a g*? If it's the later I can see it making sense but if it's about g* ki then that gets contradicted by the Moro arc with Moro being able to steal from Goku and Vegeta in their g** forms

I know I censored the word "God" a lot, I'm just tryna stay religious

I was more talking the actual status. I would say race, because the Kai ARE a race, but given Trunks can train to be a Kai, it’s clear it’s not race-restricted. Though, perhaps the resistance is outside of that title.

Edit: Also, Moro’s ability to interact with and sense God Ki is honestly inconsistent.

 

[Dominodalek]

Huh. It occurs to me that Death Battle may have been onto something by assuming “True God” status makes you immune to Ki/Life Force Stealing and could explain Buu. (The example they used). Shin and Kibito are, interestingly, incompatible with the Energy Robbery methods Babidi used (Magic.) Now, technically, it’s not hard proof, nor does it actually establish actual, concrete resistance, but it is interesting and could explain why Buu (who absorbed a Kai) could not be affected by Moro’s Energy Robbery method (Magic).

It’s just a nugget for thought as I consider what I’ve been looking over, recently.

Dokkan Battle actually provided an explanation for it - they needed pure energy to release Buu, no subtypes, which explains both why they couldn't use the gods' Ki and why Babidi couldn't just drain his henchmen.

 

[Hagane_no_Saiyajin]

I think there was a calc involving Goku moving fast enough to get Roshi's glasses before the Taiyo-ken could reach them, where is that?

 

[Vietthai96]

I know there are a lot of different canons in the franchise, but purely looking at the narrative and intent, who is depicted as more of a powerhouse? Broly or Cumber?

Both of them are roundly the same

 

[RedReaper]

Dokkan Battle actually provided an explanation for it - they needed pure energy to release Buu, no subtypes, which explains both why they couldn't use the gods' Ki and why Babidi couldn't just drain his henchmen.

Interesting.

I think there was a calc involving Goku moving fast enough to get Roshi's glasses before the Taiyo-ken could reach them, where is that?

No idea, but I wouldn’t put much stock in it. The Taiyo-ken seems to adjust in speed as you implement more Ki/Get more powerful, and thus makes Kid Goku’s dodging feat irrelevant. A better one would be him dodging the laser from Commander Black.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Dokkan Battle actually provided an explanation for it - they needed pure energy to release Buu, no subtypes, which explains both why they couldn't use the gods' Ki and why Babidi couldn't just drain his henchmen.

I wonder if Dokkan can have information argued as canonical for TOEI/Super.

 

[FrolzeurX]

Ki Manipulation (Dragon Ball) only refers to the Manga ? Because I don't see any Toei character who has the ability.

 

[AizenBankai09]

What do you guys think about this?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

What do you guys think about this?

We don't scale Dragon Ball on top of Dr Slump.

 

[Roun12]

Ki Manipulation (Dragon Ball) only refers to the Manga ? Because I don't see any Toei character who has the ability.

Yeah, it's only Canon stuff, but there's a tab for Games so in the future there could be a tab for Toei Anime/GT info.

 

[AizenBankai09]

We don't scale Dragon Ball on top of Dr Slump.

So basically arale was considered mftl+ back in that fight?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

So basically arale was considered mftl+ back in that fight?

Outlier for sure.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

What if Goku had Immeasurable speed in short bursts (0.5 seconds).

 

[Damage3245]

What if Goku had Immeasurable speed in short bursts (0.5 seconds).

Don't give them any ideas.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Don't give them any ideas.

 

[RedReaper]

What if Goku had Immeasurable speed in short bursts (0.5 seconds).

I mean, I did point out how immeasurable speed was a spectrum, so technically it is possible. That saaaaid, I’m gonna vote no.

 

[Vietthai96]

Don't give them any ideas.

Joke on you, i have been having that ideas since the day Goku performs the feat

 

[Ryzen7900X]

What if Goku had Immeasurable speed in short bursts (0.5 seconds).

Immeasurable Combat Speed (in short bursts) seems entirely possible

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Can the ensuing blast wave from destroying the Moon be calculated, given the earth is affected by its range?

In reality, a blast wave could never reach from the Moon to the Earth because space separates the two, but given that, evidently, a blast wave does reach Earth in Dragon Ball, could the air blast formula be used? Because the air blast formula yields Low 5-B results, assuming the radius is the distance from Earth to the Moon.

 

[TiltedFN]

Can the ensuing blast wave from destroying the Moon be calculated, given the earth is affected by its range?

In reality, a blast wave could never reach from the Moon to the Earth because space separates the two, but given that, evidently, a blast wave does reach Earth in Dragon Ball, could the air blast formula be used? Because the air blast formula yields Low 5-B results, assuming the radius is the distance from Earth to the Moon.

Make a calc thread or something

 

[Damage3245]

Can the ensuing blast wave from destroying the Moon be calculated, given the earth is affected by its range?

In reality, a blast wave could never reach from the Moon to the Earth because space separates the two, but given that, evidently, a blast wave does reach Earth in Dragon Ball, could the air blast formula be used? Because the air blast formula yields Low 5-B results, assuming the radius is the distance from Earth to the Moon.

A Calc Group thread is probably the best place to get this answered, but I suspect that it wouldn't be viable because as you said the majority of the distance between the two objects here is vacuum. Can't really do an air blast over vacuum.

 

[Spinoirr]

A Calc Group thread is probably the best place to get this answered, but I suspect that it wouldn't be viable because as you said the majority of the distance between the two objects here is vacuum. Can't really do an air blast over vacuum.

BTW if you say "but rabbit carrot survived on the moon"

It's a gag, hence why goku isn't listed with self sustenance

 

[omegabronic]

A Calc Group thread is probably the best place to get this answered, but I suspect that it wouldn't be viable because as you said the majority of the distance between the two objects here is vacuum. Can't really do an air blast over vacuum.

maybe instead we could calc the KE of having the pieces of the Moon reaching the Earth so fast?

 

[Nullflowerblush]

We've never seen the fragments of the Moon scatter like we have in the anime.

 

[TheGodOfICE777]

We've never seen the fragments of the Moon scatter like we have in the anime.

Hwk the feat in the anime and manga is pretty much the same except we see the parts inbetween

 

[omegabronic]

We've never seen the fragments of the Moon scatter like we have in the anime.

aren't the tiny rocks that hit Krillin in the page you sent moon fragments? i thought that was the base of what you were asking