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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Nullflowerblush said:
Episode 72 (14:09).
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All I can find are English dub versions, do you have a link to the Japanese version
Nullflowerblush said:
The definition of そして ("soshite") includes "and; and then; thus; and now; and finally", but, per the words of Kanagawa University, japaneseprofessor.com, jtest4you, George Trombley of FromZero (formerly YesJapan), Hasisi of HiNative, and JLPTsensei, a simple "and" is the most common use case.
I can understand your point.
But, odds are that Hit never used the Tides of Time during the Tournament of Destroyers, if he even had the capacity.
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Oh no, I know he never used tides of Time, I don't think he could use it then I was simply talking about the dimension itself existing, I'd assume all he could do back then was go from point A to B, come out and attack, rinse and repeat , tides of time gives him several other skills .
 
RedReaper said:
My problem with this idea is that this dimension simply didn’t exist in U6vU7, because, according to Hit himself, he’s never needed more than basic Time Skip to win fights and thus never cultivated the power beyond that, and only started doing so BECAUSE he fought Goku. (Meaning this mechanic simply couldn’t have existed in that Tournament.)
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This, and Hit said to Goku already, using the same timeskip against Goku that he used back in U6 vs U7 is pointless, thus he decided to use new pocket dimension ability, if it is the same timeskip in U6 vs U7, it make no sense when he stated timeskip will not work then process to use the same ability
 
Vietthai96 said:
This, and Hit said to Goku already, using the same timeskip against Goku that he used back in U6 vs U7 is pointless, thus he decided to use new pocket dimension ability, if it is the same timeskip in U6 vs U7, it make no sense when he stated timeskip will not work then process to use the same ability
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I’d agree, but when Hit used the abilities in the ToP, he explicitly calls it Time Skipping, and so do other characters (namely Jiren and Dyspo. Hell, after Jiren calls it Time Skipping, it snap cuts to Whis explaining the power, with it being {NEARLY} one for one with Vados’ explanation).

(The thing it lacks is him saying that it isn’t Time Stop.)

So it’s definitely Time Skipping. Just an improved variant of it.
 
Vietthai96 said:
This, and Hit said to Goku already, using the same timeskip against Goku that he used back in U6 vs U7 is pointless, thus he decided to use new pocket dimension ability, if it is the same timeskip in U6 vs U7, it make no sense when he stated timeskip will not work then process to use the same ability
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Hold on, it's not the same, in U6 VS U7 all he did was hop in and out,with the time in-between skipped and added to his pocket reality. At the end of his first fight with Goku he then shown the ability to attack while the opponent was Frozen in time, making analytical prediction pointless.

Then after his fight with Goku, he develops several other variants while manipulating his pocket reality like tides of time- energy clones, afterimage illusions, dimensional phasing, the ability to selectively choose who gets time skipped and so on


Just because it's the same pocket reality doesn't mean it was the same technique, tides of time, time release, time cage are all advanced evolutions of the time Skip, it's like super Saiyan 1,2 and 3 are being referred to as super saiyan forms
 
Also, it occurs to me, for one of Jiren’s counterattacks, he moves Mid-Time Skip. Which is—Funny? Weird? Probably not an animation error.
 
Jaakor48 said:
I'd assume all he could do back then was go from point A to B, come out and attack, rinse and repeat
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The alternate space only exists because Hit can store the time he skips.
Hit is not skipping time by entering the alternate space, they are separate functions of the same technique.
Jaakor48 said:
it's like super Saiyan 1,2 and 3 are being referred to as super saiyan forms
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actuallyi'mprettysuretheyarealljustsupersaiyanbutwithmoreki.
 
Brogeefrong said:
tis goku day
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Erm I think you mean King Piccolo day:
GNJTAPOa4AEf0W8
 
Nullflowerblush said:
The alternate space only exists because Hit can store the time he skips.
Hit is not skipping time by entering the alternate space, they are separate functions of the same technique.
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They could both happen concurrently, once he activates it, the space is created,
The alternative ofcourse is that his timeskip has nothing to do with the pocket reality and as he skips the time, it has the effect of freezing everyone else asides hit, which, imo, is the simplest explanation and is actually backed by proof, but is being rejected for some reason
 
Jaakor48 said:
once he activates it, the space is created
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That isn't what you were arguing, though; you were arguing that Hit creates the illusion of moving through time by hopping between the two spatial dimensions, which is incorrect. Hit can skip time and he can create the separate time using the time he skips. Skipping time is wholly its own separate function.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
That isn't what you were arguing, though; you were arguing that Hit creates the illusion of moving through time by hopping between the two spatial dimensions, which is incorrect. Hit can skip time and he can create the separate time using the time he skips. Skipping time is wholly its own separate function.
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I was giving two different scenarios after you pointed out that creating the seperate space was different while still trying to stay true to Vados' explanation of the timeskip

Either his basic timeskip allows him simply skip time, allowing him move to a ln advantageous position and then attacking at the end, and the time skipped has the same effect as a time stop - until his advancement of the timeskip allowed him attack while the opponent was Frozen (when it turned red)

Or his pocket space is created once he used his timeskip and he was just hoping while time was stopped for everyone else


I believe it's one of the two (for his basic timeskip that is)
 
The crt with oozaru vegeta's speed is a pretty decent encapsulation of this site's problems. I know this because apparently the counter arguements are so semantic and bad I literally heard about it from the ******* death battle discord server.

I was in an entirely different ******* power scaling server and there were still people playing a game of actual bingo using that thread.

Edit: lol for those liking this so quickly I promise you if you were seeing the conversation I am you wouldn't be liking this
 
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XXBenShapiroXx said:
The crt with oozaru vegeta's speed is a pretty decent encapsulation of this site's problems. I know this because apparently the counter arguements are so semantic and bad I literally heard about it from the ******* death battle discord server.

I was in an entirely different ******* power scaling server and there were still people playing a game of actual bingo using that thread.

Edit: lol for those liking this so quickly I promise you if you were seeing the conversation I am you wouldn't be liking this
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If that's how people want to waste their time, good for them. Nobody cares.
 
Damage3245 said:
If that's how people want to waste their time, good for them. Nobody cares.
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Yeah, whatever your opinions are of here, I think that makes them look just as bad as they perceive the others lol.

At a certain point, grass MUST be touched!
 
Quantu said:
Yeah, whatever your opinions are of here, I think that makes them look just as bad as they perceive the others lol.

At a certain point, grass MUST be touched!
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I was in this same boat too until one dude was able to accurately predict what mod/member would be against it and what general arguments would be used. Those mfers had observational haki
 
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