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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Interesting. Has any of it been translated by anyone anywhere, just to see what extraneous details it may have? Like the cloaking technology of the RRA?
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lol even this Goku is stronger
Son Goku (Downplay)
Son Goku is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a massive wholesome idiot after he bumped his head. He starts on a...joke-battles.fandom.com
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Where have I seen that before?
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I wonder whom made this one hmmmmmm I swear I've seen this beforeWhere have I seen that before?
Pegasus Seiya (Accurate version)
Seiya is the title and main protagonist of the Saint Seiya manga and anime series written and illustrated by Masami Kurumada. Tier: Likely 10-C, at most 9-B | At most 5-A, likely far lower | At most 5-A, likely far lower | At most 4-C Name: Seiya Origin: Saint Hyoga Gender: Male Age: Kiddo...
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The Saiyans (The Entire Race, Pre-Saiyan Saga) Vs The Viltrumites (Pre-Purge and Scourge Virus) sounds like a cool fight on paper, (talking about due to recent YT and Twitter discourse) but then I think about it for a moment and realize the Saiyans kind of stomp. I mean, it took 3 of the top Viltrumites to ever live teaming up, with aid from Space Racer, to take out Viltrum, netting them Small Planet.
Mind you, these 3 aren’t just like, strong. The Viltrumites went through eugenics, so the remaining 50 pure bloods we see like Anissa, Kregg, etc. are top tier relative to their whole species, and highly trained on top of that all physicality to boot, and the Viltrumites who performed the feat are a level above them. (With the strongest Viltrumite being Thragg until Mark ages up, since he only barely won due to the suit he was wearing buying him extra time.) Despite ALL of that, it took all they had.
So that is the utmost you will ever see from a Viltrumite (though with upscaling, I think it’d be valid to say Mark became baseline planetary in his 500 year future.)
The Average Low Class no name Saiyan Warrior can easily brutalize Moon Level threats. While Small Planet > Moon, the level of ease it takes and the actual tier of individual pulling it off is so vastly different between them I think saying the Average Saiyan majorly outclasses the Average Viltrumite, and that’s not getting into the discrepancy in abilities. Ki, which gives them range, defense, offense, aura, heat and shockwave creation, etc. Then they have Zenkai Boosts, the Oozaru, etc. etc.
A platoon of decent low level Saiyans would clear Viltrum, though they may need Oozaru to pull it off.
However, the fight becomes even more of a slaughter when you factor in the Mid Class and Elite, who can straight up finger point planets away and (Toei) King Vegeta can handwave three planets to oblivion at Dwarf Star levels of power. Genuinely just a step above anything in Invincible except the Infinity Ray (this is because Nolan claims it can bust stars, though given it didn’t oneshot Viltrum, debatable.)
I say all of this to state that I was kind of surprised at how stompy it was after thought. I mean, I always knew KV, Kid Vegeta, and Toei Bardock would be a serious issue due to their level of power, but I didn’t realize how big the gap between the Viltrumites and General Saiyan Populace is.
That said, the Viltrumites could easily like, build up their speed in space at their MFTL+ Subatomic Space Warp enhanced speed then approach Planet Vegeta, and all the Saiyans just kind of die because they need to breathe, so it’s not like they’re without wincons. It’s just not going to be an actual fight between the two.
Mind you, these 3 aren’t just like, strong. The Viltrumites went through eugenics, so the remaining 50 pure bloods we see like Anissa, Kregg, etc. are top tier relative to their whole species, and highly trained on top of that all physicality to boot, and the Viltrumites who performed the feat are a level above them. (With the strongest Viltrumite being Thragg until Mark ages up, since he only barely won due to the suit he was wearing buying him extra time.) Despite ALL of that, it took all they had.
So that is the utmost you will ever see from a Viltrumite (though with upscaling, I think it’d be valid to say Mark became baseline planetary in his 500 year future.)
The Average Low Class no name Saiyan Warrior can easily brutalize Moon Level threats. While Small Planet > Moon, the level of ease it takes and the actual tier of individual pulling it off is so vastly different between them I think saying the Average Saiyan majorly outclasses the Average Viltrumite, and that’s not getting into the discrepancy in abilities. Ki, which gives them range, defense, offense, aura, heat and shockwave creation, etc. Then they have Zenkai Boosts, the Oozaru, etc. etc.
A platoon of decent low level Saiyans would clear Viltrum, though they may need Oozaru to pull it off.
However, the fight becomes even more of a slaughter when you factor in the Mid Class and Elite, who can straight up finger point planets away and (Toei) King Vegeta can handwave three planets to oblivion at Dwarf Star levels of power. Genuinely just a step above anything in Invincible except the Infinity Ray (this is because Nolan claims it can bust stars, though given it didn’t oneshot Viltrum, debatable.)
I say all of this to state that I was kind of surprised at how stompy it was after thought. I mean, I always knew KV, Kid Vegeta, and Toei Bardock would be a serious issue due to their level of power, but I didn’t realize how big the gap between the Viltrumites and General Saiyan Populace is.
That said, the Viltrumites could easily like, build up their speed in space at their MFTL+ Subatomic Space Warp enhanced speed then approach Planet Vegeta, and all the Saiyans just kind of die because they need to breathe, so it’s not like they’re without wincons. It’s just not going to be an actual fight between the two.
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Viltrutmites vs Saiyan's always be debatable to a extent until u factor namek and above which makes a stomp into a massacre
It's funny to think that a 5 year old Gohan can annihilate the viltrum race from namek
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If you factor Toei you have to remember Moon Level bumps up to Planet Level+ also even without his Toei feat King Vegeta still scales to that planet destroying feat (because DB planets are much bigger) due to his 10k power level.
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We now have three Dragon Ball supporters who are administrators
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It would be good if you could evaluate this, i think it will be your first about DB being an administrator.
"Smurfing through time" A Dragon Ball Super upgrade
Good day my fellow dragon ball wankers So as we know in u6 vs u7 arc in dragon ball super the tournament was held in a place call neutral space or dimension in both anime and manga which is a space that holds all the macrocosms So here comes the scaling part hit is able to use his time...
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Yeah that thread needs to conclude soon
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Indeed, but no administrator appears.
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how?
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I believe he's referring to Namek saga Gohan, who was probably in the millions at the end
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Correct
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I have a question about the neutral zone
It holds the macrocosms right? Each of which are 2c multiverses
Now any standard multiversal structure separates its 4d components via a 5th dimension, which is insignificant unless proven otherwise, so a 2c structure is basically a 3d+1d structure with an extra 1d insignificant direction
What about a realm that contains said 2c multiverses and separates them such that they don't intersect? Still the same 3d+1d+1d-insignificant? Would it need an extra insignificant direction to seperate the multiverses?
Will it still be 3d+1d+ 1d-insignificant or 3d+1d+ 2d-insignificant? Or is it more likely 4d+1d+1d-insignificant?
It holds the macrocosms right? Each of which are 2c multiverses
Now any standard multiversal structure separates its 4d components via a 5th dimension, which is insignificant unless proven otherwise, so a 2c structure is basically a 3d+1d structure with an extra 1d insignificant direction
What about a realm that contains said 2c multiverses and separates them such that they don't intersect? Still the same 3d+1d+1d-insignificant? Would it need an extra insignificant direction to seperate the multiverses?
Will it still be 3d+1d+ 1d-insignificant or 3d+1d+ 2d-insignificant? Or is it more likely 4d+1d+1d-insignificant?
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The fact Leek is just lying on the floor under Bardock is hilarious.VS Battles Wiki
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Apparently, the French translation of the El Manga Legendario—the, ahem, Le Manga de Légende—is the first version released.
Makes sense; Hachette Collection, the publishers, is a subsidiary of Hachette Book Group, a French company.
and uhhh...
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Makes sense; Hachette Collection, the publishers, is a subsidiary of Hachette Book Group, a French company.
and uhhh...
Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread - Page 620 • Kanzenshuu
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Apparently,
- Semi-Perfect Cell is ten-times as strong as Imperfect Cell.
- Potential Unlock Gohan is ten-times as strong as Pre-Potential Unlock Gohan.
- After three years of training, Goku, Vegeta, and Piccolo are equals. (Guessing it's referring to their full power.)
- Super Saiyan Grade Two derives its strength from its muscles (duh), whereas Super Saiyan 2 maximizes the user's Ki (duh).
- Spopovich is only ten-times as strong as normally under Babidi's control, which, hm-
- The East Supreme Kai's strength is comparable to "that of Goku and his friends at the time of the Cell Game".
- "[Super] Buu and [SSJ] Gotenks fight with unprecedented power".
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think this could be an at least 10x for Majin (Vegeta)?
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Well, Babidi's manipulation draws out the user's hidden potential.
Could even be a 20x for Vegeta or far less, given how much better of a warrior Vegeta is than Spopovich; he wouldn't have much left to extract at the time.
The real question is: how could we manage to get all of this applied?
Could even be a 20x for Vegeta or far less, given how much better of a warrior Vegeta is than Spopovich; he wouldn't have much left to extract at the time.
The real question is: how could we manage to get all of this applied?
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Cuz, like,
- Potential Unlock Gohan: >443.830608 Ronnatons (High 5-A).
- Semi-Perfect Cell: >29648.9822 Quettatons (High 4-C).
- SSJ Gotenks squarely upscales from the Fat-
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I'll only use 5 percent of power Goku
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Well, while you’re dealing with Spanish and French, let me supply you with some Japanese. Specifically, this month’s DBS: IS.
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How'd you get ahold of that?
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No information regarding Beast Gohan, but, thankfully, the Spirit Bomb and Ultra Instinct are explained! Finally!
"A special move that gathers energy from all living things in the surrounding area and releases it towards evil energy."
"The Ultra Instinct perfected in the fight against Moro. It is the ultimate technique enabling the body to evade and attack on its own."
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I got it directly from DBHype, on Twitter. Also, I found a copy of (~40 pages, dunno if it's the whole thing) an Italian version of the GT Perfect Files Vol. 2.
Edit: 4 Language barrage right there.
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The ONE THING I was hoping would be explained outside of more Yardrat lore...And I'm given neither.
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I want explanation on Orange Piccolo also, i want the "Piccolo unlocking Kami's godlt ki" headcanon go br comfirmed......because it sounds cool
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I mean, I felt like the explanation of it being a reward bestowed upon Piccolo after his kind and noble deeds throughout his lifetime is enough. I mean, while I guess getting it linked to God Ki would be cool, I don't know how much I'd like it, since while it does hold a lot of thematic relevance (similiar to how Vegeta was Demonic and eventually achieved Godhood, Piccolo was of the Demon Clansman and achieved a type of Godhood), it also feels like it robs it of part of it's own unique identity for the Namekians (it's a reward for Namekian Warriors, the tree on Piccolo's back that spawns when he transforms is the Ajisa Namekian Tree, symbolizing their pride, etc.), in favor of a more interconnected narrative point. Though, I suppose that the fact they're probably not going to explore what "Orange" is for Namekians does technically mean that labeling it as God Ki handwaves basically all narrative hardwork in favor of an easy and convenient solution, which is peak Toriyama.
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According to the person posting on that forum, that may just be a choice of the translator rather than an actual consistent statement. It could just be an expression to say "tenfold increase" like how a person says "decimate" without really meaning "removing by 1/10th".
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I'll never forgive the French
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I thought it was Spanish and not French, even though French is very similar to SpanishApparently, the French translation of the El Manga Legendario—the, ahem, Le Manga de Légende—is the first version released.
Makes sense; Hachette Collection, the publishers, is a subsidiary of Hachette Book Group, a French company.
and uhhh...
Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread - Page 620 • Kanzenshuu
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