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Probably, yeah
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Upscaling from feats is basically what 99% of dragon ball is about tbh, there are very few standalone feats in the series
SS being multi galactic in size alone doesn't mean that's where its power stops, pretty sure it can casually tk all 12 macrocosms if asked
All anti feats are basically under sustained strength training, gravity training/weighted clothing, with the exception of that manga feat with magetta
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There are about three (count 'em) Class K-M calculations. There are quite a few anti-feats. If they are truly and consistently capable of lifting millions of tons above their heads, the equivalent of over 10,000,000g, then, logically, 100g should have been a cakewalk before Gravity Training was even invented.
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Goku always comes first
Does this make goku outerversal
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Does this make goku outerversal
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Gokuversal actually
Does this make goku outerversal
Gokuversal actuallyi need
I need a debunk pls explain lmao
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Boundless
Does this make goku outerversal
I need a debunk bro
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nah g goku hyper outerversal
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Another Class M feat calc was accepted. However this doesn't really matter, dragon ball has always had a paucity of calculable feats, it has few feats and a lot of simple scaling due to how linear it is. Also they have multiple class 5+ feats, Goku lifting a car in his first appearance, yajirobe tossing a boulder the size of kid Goku so hard it shattered, Goku flinging the 211kg Giran, bora flinging yajirobe+Goku beyond cloud level, etc. There are NUMEROUS lifting feats that dwarf the training weights that they struggle with throughout DB and DBZ, from versions of the same characters much weaker than they were when they trained with those weights
And dragon ball has clearly shown a clear progression of strength based on their power level
No there aren't, the 'anti feat' here, is the gar greater effort they put into sustained weighted training, same way their travel speed is an "anti feats" to their combat speed, you won't see anyone trying to downgrade their combat speed either
Except this distinction is clearly shown in the series. The same Goku who struggled with a 250 pound (113kg) weights tossed a 116ton piccolo, that's the equivalent of a person struggling with a weighted clothing equivalent to a large EGG and then tossing a full grown man
There is CLEARLY a difference in their ability to lift things normally and their ability to handle weighted objects, this same divide occurs IRL too, but it's highly exaggerated in DB/DBZ, owing to Toriyama's obsession with burst attacks and movements, super largely fixed this aspect when it came to weighted training
As long as it's noted that their DB/DBZ lifting scale is for combat/normal lifting and not for weighted training, it's fine
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Why would it be an outerversal feat?
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This isn't really a problem, we had the same issue with speed once, the feats ARE the multipliers which are linear and increase everything. We just have to go over anti feats.
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listing off a bunch of class 5 and class 25 feats sure does inspire confidence in the idea that the three class m and one class k calculations are not outliers
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Damn, keep cooking guys, you guys strong. By the way, what about the anti feats Vegeta can't lift Botta Magetta?
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They are rejecting the fact that Gas crossed the Universe, now opinion will be superior to the work and evidence itself?
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CopeThey are rejecting the fact that Gas crossed the Universe, now opinion will be superior to the work and evidence itself?
DBS Manga: God Tier speed upgrade
Hello I made a thing. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Yellow_Topaz/Gas_flies_across_the_universe_at_breaknecking_speeds_(DBS_Manga) This would affect Granolah, Gas, MUI Goku, UE Vegeta, Black Frieza, Beast Gohan and Beerus. We still need to decide on a distance though.
Cause my buddies on discord are dumies and im to dumb to find a good debunk
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No. The panel edges are never stated to exist in the verse, and this isn't consistent with anything else. Plus, it's literally just a joke feat. Otherwise, why would blowing up the moon be considered impressive?
Does this make goku outerversal
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cause breaking the fourth wall isnt outerversal
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It's wall level.
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It's gokuversal and yall are cringe
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If you'd read my post, the class 5-25 feats were to eradicate the argument trying to link the difference in their normal lifting strength to their weight training by showing they the dwarf said weights right from the beginning of the series
I dont need to provide more class M feats in a verse that is as simple and linear when it comes to stat scaling as DBZ, as long as no one stronger than said characters with said feats struggle with less feats in the same scenario, nor did they struggle to overpower said weaker characters the scaling chain applies.
I mean, I assume you think Frieza dwarf star calc feat should be added either then? Cuz before that all we had were a "bunch of" planet feats.
But if you're still not agreeing, fine, agree to disagree
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Frieza case is false equivalence. It's not the same a character performs a class M feat, then struggles to perform a lower class feat, to a character performing a planet level feat, then a stronger one performing a small star level feat.
In the first case, first feat is contradicted by later ones; in the second case, character performs a stronger feat because he is stronger than previous characters
In the first case, first feat is contradicted by later ones; in the second case, character performs a stronger feat because he is stronger than previous characters
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If you can provide instances of tao Pai struggling to lift something less than his class M feat or great ape Goku doing the same, you'd have a point
Not sure what you're responding to, I used Frieza to point out his claim of there not being many class M feats as some kind of sinker to them being outliers
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Difference is, Frieza calc is supported by later characters performing stronger feats, which make it consistent.
Lifting Strength feats you're using to scale characters to Universal LS through multipliers are contradicted by feats later in the series. Vegeta having a hard time to lift Magetta, Base Goku struggling to lift 40 tons (which would at best weigh the same as 400 tons on Earth due to 10x gravity), 100x gravity being intense training, etc.
That's why people doubt Dragon Ball LS scaling, because it is not supported by the series. Trying to compare it to AP feats which are, in fact, more supported than the LS is false equivalence
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It's an incalculable feat because it's just a gag. It does give Goku 4th Wall Awareness and maybe even a degree of toon force, but in terms of tiers it's irrelevant because it can't be quantified. It certainly wouldn't warrant outerversal specifically. Like, even if we took it seriously for a second which we shouldn't, there is no way that it would SPECIFICALLY be outerversal, idk where your Discord buds got that from. I could understand saying it's low complex multiversal or boundless, but outerversal just shows that they don't even know what outerversal means.
Does this make goku outerversal
On that note...idk why people love this, but ignore the fact that when Goku first turns into an Oozaru in the Pilaf Saga, there is a text bubble where Toriyama effectively says he can't control Goku anymore and that the story is out of his hands. It's not really applicable but like obv you can easily wank Goku to pretty absurd degrees with that if you were to take it seriously.
I've always said that Pilaf Saga Goku should be treated differently cause Goku was literally a gag character back then. Similarly to Arale. Even in the 21st Tournament Saga he has some gag feats. But afterwards the story becomes a little more serious, and by the King Piccolo Saga it becomes a full on Shonen.
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Again, Frieza wasn't brought up because of this, he was brought up because Null was claiming that 3 class M feats weren't enough to apply a scaling chain, it has nothing to do with this, I brought up Frieza to point out that we don't need numerous feats of the same type to scale others off it
Not really, when stronger people casually overpower said weaker xters
This is indeed a low end lifting feat,one that isn't due with weighted training and it's manga only. But this is the only one
Yes, we've covered this already, there is a vast gap in how the verse treats normal lifting strength and weighted training, the 40 tons want lifting, it was weighted clothing on his wrists and ankles, and the databook actually explained why this particular scene was so hard
but like the example we have with Goku lifting 116 ton piccolo while claiming 250 pounds weighted clothing is hard work, Goku pushing 100+ ton rock while training with 20kg, Goku pushing a 500+ ton rock while training with 40kg weights. There is a massive gap between what they can lift and their weight training, there is a similar gap in their combat speed and travel speed
I understand, which is why I am pointing out the difference
Not sure where I compared their LS to AP feats, I don't remember giving about 2c lifting strength, LS is boosted by higher ki, having higher ki gives you greater LS than one with lower ki,
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I mean, if the verse treats differently weightened training to normal LS, then it should be noted in their pages, such as we list travel speed different to their combat speed.
It is usable in vs matches, too, Here are some characters who could take advantage of said weakness
It is usable in vs matches, too, Here are some characters who could take advantage of said weakness
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Dude, Dragon Super Super Hero continues after chapter 100, I can’t stand watching superhero stories anymore 
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re read one piece manga by the time superhero stories end
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More than a thousand chapters
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It's incredible how they do the impossible so that DB doesn't scale correctly looking for even the smallest detailThey are rejecting the fact that Gas crossed the Universe, now opinion will be superior to the work and evidence itself?
DBS Manga: God Tier speed upgrade
Hello I made a thing. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:The_Yellow_Topaz/Gas_flies_across_the_universe_at_breaknecking_speeds_(DBS_Manga) This would affect Granolah, Gas, MUI Goku, UE Vegeta, Black Frieza, Beast Gohan and Beerus. We still need to decide on a distance though.
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meaning u will be busy af while the superhero story endsMore than a thousand chapters
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Sad this is happening, now opinion is worth more than workIt's incredible how they do the impossible so that DB doesn't scale correctly looking for even the smallest detail
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Even though I'm in the current chapters, I won't go again ever, it took weeks before I got to 700
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