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Well, there you have it. Evidence that it is, at the very least, a feasible thing to do.
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we don't need to calc anything, I'm just showing everyone here why even narratively the fact that Cell is implied to be an imminent threat to every celestial body means not only is his current speed rating bunk but anything less than MFTL+ is just wrong. As for the calc part it really doesnt need to be calced since flight speed is useless for combat anyway and many characters on here often get a blanket "MFTL+" when a statement is too vague to calcyour assertion is that as well, since you are using for speed, aka he would take his time to travel all the way across the universe to destroy, which can only be found for speed with a time frame, which we don't have, making it not really useful for calcing speed
no you're wrong. even with 4-B AP, going around with MHS+ speed and solar system level range, destroying the universe is an almost impossible task regardless of how long he lives (which isn't long at all since unlike the cyborgs, Cell isnt stated to never age). And why is Perfect Cell relevant here anyway? Absoring 17 wont make him perfect or solar system level and its debatable if he's even referring to post-17 absorption Cell or the current one in front of him. Regardless, the statement makes 0 sense with his current ratings and further statements in the Buu saga prove that it isn't inconsistentPerfect Cell, as shown in the ending of the saga, had all the capabilities to grow to a Solar System level of destruction, which would make destroying the universe overtime not really hard to do
Nobody, not even CELL HIMSELF, knew that he could have grown into a Solar System buster from the immense Zenkai Boosts granted by his regeneration (or that his regeneration covered that amount of damage, as Zenkai’s come in proportion to damage TAKEN.) So 16’s statement physically cannot apply to Super Perfect Cell. Even making it apply to Perfect is a stretch, because Super Vegeta was a world away/incomprehensible in power to him.Perfect Cell, as shown in the ending of the saga, had all the capabilities to grow to a Solar System level of destruction, which would make destroying the universe overtime not really hard to do
"Imminent"? outside of the "Perfect Cell point" i put bellow........where are you seeing "Imminent" from that? it is just said "he wants to destroy the universe" no time frame given to say "Imminent"we don't need to calc anything, I'm just showing everyone here why even narratively the fact that Cell is implied to be an imminent threat to every celestial body means not only is his current speed rating bunk but anything less than MFTL+ is just wrong.
Considering that DB's flight is accepted as being less than their combat speed, whatever flight speed he has would directly scale to his combat speedAs for the calc part it really doesnt need to be calced since flight speed is useless for combat anyway and many characters on here often get a blanket "MFTL+" when a statement is too vague to calc
the galaxy only has 3,000ish solar systems, he only needs a couple tillion of blasts to destroy a large portion, or even all the universe, which is very possible to do given the AP he would haveno you're wrong. even with 4-B AP, going around with MHS+ speed and solar system level range, destroying the universe is an almost impossible task regardless of how long he lives
we don't know that, to say that it isn't long is not really supported at all(which isn't long at all since unlike the cyborgs, Cell isnt stated to never age).
it is very clear he is talking about post absorption, complete cell, since stopping him from absorbing both 17 and 18 is what he wants to do in the context where he is saying the statementAnd why is Perfect Cell relevant here anyway? Absoring 17 wont make him perfect or solar system level and its debatable if he's even referring to post-17 absorption Cell or the current one in front of him.
the statements in the Buu saga more or less follow the same i have been saying, specially since Buu we know lives a ridiculous long lifespanRegardless, the statement makes 0 sense with his current ratings and further statements in the Buu saga prove that it isn't inconsistent
he had the capability to go that far, it shows that 16's fears were trueNobody, not even CELL HIMSELF, knew that he could have grown into a Solar System buster from the immense Zenkai Boosts granted by his regeneration (or that his regeneration covered that amount of damage, as Zenkai’s come in proportion to damage TAKEN.) So 16’s statement physically cannot apply to Super Perfect Cell. Even making it apply to Perfect is a stretch, because Super Vegeta was a world away/incomprehensible in power to him.
no you can't, doing place holder ratings is not a good practice, we archive a characters statistics, to not show them because "it isn't important for combat"the reason I'm proposing these statements for speed instead of AP upgrades is because with AP upgrades we need to be much more specific and try to think about what it means. We cant just throw a blanket "3-B Multi-Galaxy level" and call it a day but speed doesnt have that kind of problem thankfully you can be a bit more vague with how high into MFTL+ someone is especially if its simply travel speed
no he hasn'twho despite that has also been seen aging like DBO
While this is true, 16’s fears WERE verified, the information 16 was working on objectively was not “he could blow up solar systems.” It was vastly more likely he was referring to the information projected by the Supercomputer (which is already out of date/wrong because it didn’t account for the changes in the Z-Fighters PL relative to the 3 years training for 19 and 20, and definitely could not adequately cover the present Cell, who had engorged himself on hundreds of thousands of humans specifically because his power output, {which is literally decided by the Supercomputer that made him}, was lower than 17’s and thus literally could not quantify Cell’s strength trajectory. Even assuming 16 was calculating that trajectory in the present moment with his Supercomputer Brain, this same brain still wouldn’t be operating on the understanding a “Super Perfect Cell” could even exist.he had the capability, it shows that 16's fears were true
Mmm...maybe.no he hasn't
The Infinite Energy Reactors are mechanical, not biological, hence why Marron didn't inherit unlimited stamina. Eternal youth is, seeing as how Piccolo inherited it from being King Piccolo's genetic duplicate.as in the case of the infinite stamina of the androids
Infinite universe is no longer accepted on siteIsn't there like infite galaxy in db? So how is he going to destroy one planet at a time?
Twice in the same saga, referring to the same character and that these statements come from two sources that do not exaggerate?Or it's an exaggeration
I'm not talking about infite uni, inf galaxy as I remember is directly stated in daizhenshuuInfinite universe is no longer accepted on site
yeah, Cell's growth shows that he could grow to such heights that even Gero's supercomputer couldn't proccessWhile this is true, 16’s fears WERE verified, the information 16 was working on objectively was not “he could blow up solar systems.” It was vastly more likely he was referring to the information projected by the Supercomputer (which is already out of date/wrong because it didn’t account for the changes in the Z-Fighters PL relative to the 3 years training for 19 and 20, and definitely could not adequately cover the present Cell, who had engorged himself on hundreds of thousands of humans specifically because his power output, {which is literally decided by the Supercomputer that made him}, was lower than 17’s and thus literally could not quantify Cell’s strength trajectory. Even assuming 16 was calculating that trajectory in the present moment with his Supercomputer Brain, this same brain still wouldn’t be operating on the understanding a “Super Perfect Cell” could even exist.
large star level is not enough to destroy the entire universe tho, going that route you should upgrade Cell to solar system level, neutron stars that that high to destroy iircEdit: That’s to say, it’s vastly more likely it was interpreting Cell’s power as a “Large Star Buster” or what have you, not Solar Systems, and he’d clear out the Universe over time one planet and Star at a time.
That's literally the same infinite galaxy means an infinite universeI'm not talking about infite uni, inf galaxy as I remember is directly stated in daizhenshuu
Not accepted on this siteI'm not talking about infite uni, inf galaxy as I remember is directly stated in daizhenshuu
.....if the universe is not accepted as infinite, then the galaxy(which is part of the universe) also isn'tI'm not talking about infite uni, inf galaxy as I remember is directly stated in daizhenshuu
Cell is not his genetic duplicate and I don't remember what his transfer of immortality is based on, Piccolo is the incarnation of Piccolo King who put his entire existence in that egg to be reborn.The Infinite Energy Reactors are mechanical, not biological, hence why Marron didn't inherit unlimited stamina. Eternal youth is, seeing as how Piccolo inherited it from being King Piccolo's genetic duplicate.
That's literally the same infinite galaxy means an infinite universe
Plus that scan was used for infinite universe
Not accepted on this site
That's crazy to me, denying an actual outright statement......if the universe is not accepted as infinite, then the galaxy(which is part of the universe) also isn't
Honestly very far-fetched.While this is true, 16’s fears WERE verified, the information 16 was working on objectively was not “he could blow up solar systems.” It was vastly more likely he was referring to the information projected by the Supercomputer (which is already out of date/wrong because it didn’t account for the changes in the Z-Fighters PL relative to the 3 years training for 19 and 20, and definitely could not adequately cover the present Cell, who had engorged himself on hundreds of thousands of humans specifically because his power output, {which is literally decided by the Supercomputer that made him}, was lower than 17’s and thus literally could not quantify Cell’s strength trajectory. Even assuming 16 was calculating that trajectory in the present moment with his Supercomputer Brain, this same brain still wouldn’t be operating on the understanding a “Super Perfect Cell” could even exist.
Edit: That’s to say, it’s vastly more likely it was interpreting Cell’s power as a “Large Star Buster” or what have you, not Solar Systems, and he’d clear out the Universe over time one planet and Star at a time.
Cell has Piccolo’s total genetic code in his body, and we know Piccolo inherited it as his Reincarnation (Daizenshuu 2), but we don’t know if Cell did for sure, HENCE the “possibly” rating.Cell is not his genetic duplicate and I don't remember what his transfer of immortality is based on, Piccolo is the incarnation of Piccolo King who put his entire existence in that egg to be reborn.
I ended up forgetting that Piccolo has eternal youthThe Infinite Energy Reactors are mechanical, not biological, hence why Marron didn't inherit unlimited stamina. Eternal youth is, seeing as how Piccolo inherited it from being King Piccolo's genetic duplicate.
Hyperbole, poetry, that was the argument.Honestly very far-fetched.
Yes, I understand that but we continue with the same topic, when Piccolo King gave birth to the egg he put his entire existence into it, Cell not only has Piccolo's cells but also those of Goku, Frieza, Vegeta, etc. They are not the same beings. and as we know, Cell gets tired when fighting unlike androids.Cell has Piccolo’s total genetic code in his body, and we know Piccolo inherited it as his Reincarnation (Daizenshuu 2), but we don’t know if Cell did for sure, HENCE the “possibly” rating.
He has it but Cell has no reason to have it.I ended up forgetting that Piccolo has eternal youth
Like I said, though, the incongruity in data available means it straight up cannot be referring to SPC, even if he was validated.yeah, Cell's growth shows that he could grow to such heights that even Gero's supercomputer couldn't proccessshould be used to make Cell "Extrordinary Genius" combatant, not ironic remark, an observation of mineso, it isn't too outlandish to see this growth as the danger, considering that in the end he reached Solar System busting levels of power, i wouldn't consider so weird to think that this is where 16's fears lied
I don’t think Cell’s output should be heightened. I just want to clarify what 16 meant at that moment.large star level is not enough to destroy the entire universe tho, going that route you should upgrade Cell to solar system level, neutron stars that that high to destroy iirc
Tbh I do think the Infinite Galaxies thing to be legit. The "contradictions" aren't really contradictions and are simply the result of authors not knowing the magnitudes of their tiers, like Goku used to become from 3-A to Low 2-C with just a x50 multiplier back in the days.Hyperbole, poetry, that was the argument.
So does Piccolo. Eternal Youth does not afford him infinite stamina. Just immunity to aging.Yes, I understand that but we continue with the same topic, when Piccolo King gave birth to the egg he put his entire existence into it, Cell not only has Piccolo's cells but also those of Goku, Frieza, Vegeta, etc. They are not the same beings. and as we know, Cell gets tired when fighting unlike androids.
What I tried to imply is that Cell does not have all the abilities of the beings that make him up and since there is no evidence or even allusion to Cell having type 1 immortality, it should be erased.So does Piccolo. Eternal Youth does not afford him infinite stamina. Just immunity to aging.
To hundreds of quotes stating about infinite galaxies in guides, directors mentioning, although super uses an "incalculable number of galaxies like these"i don't think Bulma's word would refute the Universe being infinite, Jaco even refutes her about there not being something like that and saying it's impossible, in addition to Sheilong himself mentioning that he cannot find the super spheres because he has a very vast Universe.Tbh I do think the Infinite Galaxies thing to be legit. The "contradictions" aren't really contradictions and are simply the result of authors not knowing the magnitudes of their tiers, like Goku used to become from 3-A to Low 2-C with just a x50 multiplier back in the days.
Powerscalers when they get reminded that Infinite speed characters move from the beginning to the end of an infinite distance:i don't think Bulma's word would refute the Universe being infinite
Well, next time look for those statements from the manga/anime/guides to prove that it really is infinite.To hundreds of quotes stating about infinite galaxies in guides, directors mentioning, although super uses an "incalculable number of galaxies like these"i don't think Bulma's word would refute the Universe being infinite, Jaco even refutes her about there not being something like that and saying it's impossible, in addition to Sheilong himself mentioning that he cannot find the super spheres because he has a very vast Universe.