Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Is it again about that subject of Goku absorbing the God form for base?

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Veronica is the antithesis of Luffy

 

[Shadyboi0]

Let him/her cook.

No. Let's NOT.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Veronica is the antithesis of Luffy

I don't know her very well, but she came up with about 5 topics trying to downgrade Goku's base.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Not an argument. There is no evidence that Basil or Good Buu would produce universe destroying punches,

they can keep up with fighters that can. Proof enough

if they were to replace BoG SSG Goku. Also this dude is apparently hundreds of times BoG SSG level who is around Basil level, who lost to Good Buu who is already far stronger than SSG https://ibb.co/WDy6z5V

Dont care. Stop this nonsense you got banned for it remember?

 

[Huesito88]

Not an argument. There is no evidence that Basil or Good Buu would produce universe destroying punches, if they were to replace BoG SSG Goku. Also this dude is apparently hundreds of times BoG SSG level who is around Basil level, who lost to Good Buu who is already far stronger than SSG https://ibb.co/WDy6z5V

I mean then your more than free to "die" on this hill alone

 

[Veronica]

Also it may be weak evidence, but it's official material. Bandai Warrior Wafer sticker gives both Broly and Super Hero Arc base Goku and Vegeta a lower power reading than BoG SSG.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Also it may be weak evidence, but it's official material. Bandai Warrior Wafer sticker gives both Broly and Super Hero Arc base Goku and Vegeta a lower power reading than BoG SSG.

Inconsistent

 

[Deleted member 40688]

Bandai Warrior Wafer sticker

Very concrete

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I think it's time Buu can beat Goku's base form

 

[StekFence]

Btw, how is krillin beam closing with blue treated here?

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Also it may be weak evidence, but it's official material. Bandai Warrior Wafer sticker gives both Broly and Super Hero Arc base Goku and Vegeta a lower power reading than BoG SSG.

 

[Deleted member 40688]

Btw, how is krillin beam closing with blue treated here?

Goku in blue was holding back, and he's 2C here.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Except the power between MUI and SSB isn't that massive as confirmed that Jiren wasn't much stronger than them.

You are correct, but also wrong.
Vegeta did say Jiren ins't that much stronger than them, but Just in the physical departament, and then he clarified by saying they opponent uses they energy better than them, so that make them stronger than them.

So Goku is not able to fight Jiren and win with Super Saiyan Blue, but then he tapped into UI, and can trow Hands just with him after.

So MUI would be below 100x SSB

Sure he would.

, if he got another trillion times boost.

 

[Veronica]

Super Hero base Goku and Vegeta: Power Reading 5.200 (NOT Power Level)

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Battle of SSG Goku: Power Reading 7.700

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[Maverick_Zero_X]

Also it may be weak evidence, but it's official material. Bandai Warrior Wafer sticker gives both Broly and Super Hero Arc base Goku and Vegeta a lower power reading than BoG SSG.

 

[Fezzih_007]

Also it may be weak evidence,

It is.

 

[Veronica]

Ever heard of a retcon?

 

[Shadyboi0]

The Show> Shitty wafer sticker

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Ever heard of a retcon?

have you? You keep using retconned movies as your primary evidence

 

[Veronica]

The Show> Shitty wafer sticker

There are many other evidence, that I gave. Base Goku never fought or defeated of SSG caliber of power, it's always Buu Saga tiers for some reason such as Slim Buu, Basil, Gohan (Pre-ToP) etc

 

[Fezzih_007]

Ever heard of a retcon?

Yeah, the Warrior Wafer sticker retcon the show.

I don't see nothing wrong with that, nuh uh.

 

[Damage3245]

Out of curiosity do we ever get such a statement in the manga?

Because in the manga Goku's Super Saiyan 2 is comparable to Trunks' Super Saiyan 2 which is only described as being "much better than Gohan when he unlocked SSJ2". No comment of "Trunks has surpassed the level of a Super Saiyan God".

And when Goku shifts briefly into God form he stomps Trunks' powered-up Super Saiyan 2 form.

Plus the manga is pretty consistent on the forms progression being: SSJ -> SSJ2 -> SSJ3 --> SSJG -- > SSJB

Since the anime and manga are different canons I wonder if we can treat the "Saiyan beyond God" form as anime-only.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

There are many other evidence, that I gave. Base Goku never fought or defeated of SSG caliber of power, it's always Buu Saga tiers for some reason such as Slim Buu, Basil, Gohan (Pre-ToP) etc

Please don't bring this up again, you've already talked about this many times.

 

[Deleted member 40688]

Is the shonen jump power level accepted in this wiki?

 

[Shadyboi0]

There are many other evidence, that I gave. Base Goku never fought or defeated of SSG caliber of power, it's always Buu Saga tiers for some reason such as Slim Buu, Basil, Gohan (Pre-ToP) etc

Prove that they're Buu Saga tier.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

There are many other evidence, that I gave. Base Goku never fought or defeated of SSG caliber of power, it's always Buu Saga tiers for some reason such as Slim Buu, Basil, Gohan (Pre-ToP) etc

nothing disproves them being SSG tier power. just by virtue of fighting Base Goku they're already on that tier of power

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

Is the shonen jump power level accepted in this wiki?

No

 

[Veronica]

Please don't bring this up again, you've already talked about this many times.

Nah, the idea that Good Buu would slap BoG SSG Goku around while being casual isn't surported by anything. I am just expressing my view. I don't know why you are so hesitant. We should just go for what's the most consistent

 

[Veronica]

Prove that they're Buu Saga tier.

Proof that Good Buu who did nothing but sleep, gained the power to suddenly one shot BoG SSG Goku. That is order of magnitudes greater than claiming than Good Buu stayed relative the same.

 

[Ottavio_Merluzzo]

This is getting annoying, at this point.

 

[Shadyboi0]

Proof that Good Buu who did nothing but sleep, gained the power to suddenly one shot BoG SSG Goku.

He could fight base Goku who would one shot BoG Goku. Try again

 

[Damage3245]

@Veronica You won't accomplish anything by just arguing about it here on the general thread. I suggest you just drop the topic for now.

 

[Ryzen7900X]

Nah, the idea that Good Buu would slap BoG SSG Goku around while being casual isn't surported by anything.

supported by the fact that he can fight a much stronger Base Goku

I am just expressing my view.

which is wrong but okay. Feels weird you'd need to "express your views" about this thing specifically every time

I don't know why you are so hesitant. We should just go for what's the most consistent

We already do

 

[Shadyboi0]

This is getting annoying, at this point.

It was annoying 4 times ago.

 

[TiltedFN]

 

[Veronica]

@Veronica You won't accomplish anything by just arguing about it here on the general thread. I suggest you just drop the topic for now.

Oke

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Goku previous saga levels, if Goten hadn't fallen with the tractor Goku would even beat Buu on ssj1 or ssj2 (i still don't know which one is which)

 

[Deleted member 40688]

@Veronica If you don't mind answering, If this wiki was under your control where would you scale Goku from Saiyan Saga to GranolahI

 

[Deleted member 40688]

it is super saiyan

Goku previous saga levels, if Goten hadn't fallen with the tractor Goku would even beat Buu on ssj1 or ssj2 (i still don't know which one is which)