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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

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The actual best Goku
 
Why's that?
Apparently it violates VSBW standards like here
Multipliers without reliable statements Dragon Ball Super Saiyan Multipliers: Rejected due to never being stated in the actual series. Furthermore often seem to multiply in-universe power levels and not actual power. They often seem inconsistent, like for example the x2 SSJ2 multiplier turning a stomp around.
And that super saiyan would be an unquantifiable boost in power instead of anything quantifiable.
 
Apparently it violates VSBW standards like here

And that super saiyan would be an unquantifiable boost in power instead of anything quantifiable.
Before it wasn't accepted but later on it was thanks to Kaio-ken multipliers

Kaio-ken x20 Goku Kamehameha =< 50% Frieza < 2x - 100% Frieza < SSJ Goku (50x base)
 
Also while we are at it can someone edit the cosmology blog note of db cosmology fully scaling to 2b and edit it with there are uncountable timelines instead
 
Apparently it violates VSBW standards like here

And that super saiyan would be an unquantifiable boost in power instead of anything quantifiable.
This note is stupid.

It implies denying a multiplier because it's too low is an appropriate approach, when it undeniably makes the form even a lower end than what it would otherwise be. Please someone get the SSJ3 multipliers back in the game.
 
This note is stupid.

It implies denying a multiplier because it's too low is an appropriate approach, when it undeniably makes the form even a lower end than what it would otherwise be. Please someone get the SSJ3 multipliers back in the game.
SSJ3 multiplier (like 400x?) would be lower than currently accepted 500x (unless this was reverted but im not up to date with this) afaik
 
Someone should probably get rid of that note in multipliers page considering how accepted stuff drastically contradicts that note.
Same for Raiden, its never stated in a guide that Ripper Mode increases his power multiples by 7x, the guide is only used to support the multiplier's validity
 
Daima looks fantastic, eagerly awaiting for it. Though it doesn't seem to be that good on the feats aspect.
To be fair it imagine they won’t show it off at the beginning if they’re any impressive feats. High tier Demons likely will get some good hax though. According to Toriyama he’s had more involvement with this series than any other before. (Excluding Z and the original series). He says that the story will have “richer world-building” which is what I’m most excited about I love world building.
 
I made the thread for the multipliers
 
I'd love to see aspects from the Galactic Patrol series beyond the Jaco manga be adapted into the modern age. I know an appearance from Sachie, or Zarid, or any of the main characters from Jiya is next to impossible, but the vampires, or the Mogans, or the Mil Clan might be cool.
That would be really good, I saw Jiya's manga it's quite interesting
 
I was under the impression that SSJ2 was 2x SSJ, not 20x. Unless the SEG Translation is off.
We don't approve of the 2x multiplier because it's "too low to be true", which is stupid. Instead, we took a completely different multiplier for Grade 3, which is 10x according to The Legendary Manga guide, and used THAT to measure how strong SSJ2 is.

Perfect Cell is stronger than SSJ Gohan
Grade 3 Perfect Cell is 10x stronger than perfect cell
Super Perfect Cell is stronger than Grade 3 Cell
SSJ2 Gohan is 2x stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

Thus, SSJ2 Gohan is 20x stronger than SSJ Gohan by proxy. And we assume this is the same boost everyone gets from this form.
 
We don't approve of the 2x multiplier because it's "too low to be true", which is stupid. Instead, we took a completely different multiplier for Grade 3, which is 10x according to The Legendary Manga guide, and used THAT to measure how strong SSJ2 is.

Perfect Cell is stronger than SSJ Gohan
Grade 3 Perfect Cell is 10x stronger than perfect cell
Super Perfect Cell is stronger than Grade 3 Cell
SSJ2 Gohan is 2x stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

Thus, SSJ2 Gohan is 20x stronger than SSJ Gohan by proxy. And we assume this is the same boost everyone gets from this form.
aaaaaand you beat me to it
 
SSJ Gohan < Cell < Powerhouse (Grade 3) Perfect Cell (>10x) < Super Perfect Cell < 50% SSJ2 Gohan < 100% Gohan (2x)
which, like, honestly should look like:
SSJ Gohan < Perfect Cell < Perfect Cell at Full Power < Powerhouse Cell (?x) < Revived Cell ~< SSJ Gohan at Full Power / 50% SSJ2 Gohan < SSJ2 Gohan (2x)
but that's just my opinion.
 

I stopped playing around.
Thank you. That thread greatly displeased me. It was illogical.
 
Can you elaborate on how either of these contradict the assertion of the Spanish guide?
The thread wherein the multiplier was accepted is devoid of sufficient evidence supporting its notion. Nothing in the original series implies that the difference between Second and Third Grade was a difference of ten-times; a stomp can be achieved by a difference of less than two-times, as proven by Nappa, and Kaio-ken x3 Goku, Vegeta in the Namek Saga. The only evidence presented was that Trunks was now stronger than Perfect Cell, that was now stronger than Vegeta.
 
I just had a wild idea, and I want to know if it's been attempted before. So we accept that in Battle of Gods, Goku retained the power of a super saiyan god through accelerated development, right? Since he could reach 2-C via evolution, could we argue that Goku should be "possibly tier 1 through reactive evolution" (you know, since he evolves at uncountably infinite rates)?
 
I just had a wild idea, and I want to know if it's been attempted before. So we accept that in Battle of Gods, Goku retained the power of a super saiyan god through accelerated development, right? Since he could reach 2-C via evolution, could we argue that Goku should be "possibly tier 1 through reactive evolution" (you know, since he evolves at uncountably infinite rates)?
In truth no.
 
I just had a wild idea, and I want to know if it's been attempted before. So we accept that in Battle of Gods, Goku retained the power of a super saiyan god through accelerated development, right? Since he could reach 2-C via evolution, could we argue that Goku should be "possibly tier 1 through reactive evolution" (you know, since he evolves at uncountably infinite rates)?
Wouldn't it be NLF to assume that
 
I just had a wild idea, and I want to know if it's been attempted before. So we accept that in Battle of Gods, Goku retained the power of a super saiyan god through accelerated development, right?
We does? I thought we only accepted it because he somehow learned how to control God Ki and made it part of his normal form (aka Saiyan beyond God)

Since he could reach 2-C via evolution, could we argue that Goku should be "possibly tier 1 through reactive evolution" (you know, since he evolves at uncountably infinite rates)?
Like @Killerdrone123 said, it would fall under NLF

Also, we can´t increase Goku´s 2-C rating to more universes even with his reactive evolution, so i don´t see why this would be different
 
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